Molehill
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I don't think the passport cost him a spot, he'd have never made it in time for the First Test anyway.
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England in New Zealand 28 Nov-18 Dec 2024 - 3 Tests
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mackembhoy
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It was implied that was the case by Ali Martin of the Guardian. Gone back and looked at his article which is updated and advises differently
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Just checked the timelines - Cox broke his thumb on the Sunday, First Test started on the Thursday. No way Robinson ever had a hope of playing, and yet the BBC seemed to report it as such.
straw man
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It's hard to bat well with the tail if the tail doesn't want to bat well with you.
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Fly to Wellington today and go home after that one. Its a great holiday. Best ever.
We planned to go but with so much uncertainty over venues we changed to New Zealand instead.
Great points. You could look back on my posts for the last decade and see me bemoaning that tailenders refuse to bat for an established batsman. O'Rourke is a rare exception. It gives me the shits.
GP batting well with the tail might be true but it's such a lazy, unintelligent reason. Number 6s bat with the tail, too. GP is a far better bat than Blundell therefore, in the best interest of the side, should bat higher to maximise his run output.
Dylan Cleaver made a great point in his sub stack (which every NZ fan should subscribe to,it's brilliant) that GP's all round talent is being underutilized. His Test bowling average is 28 but bowled 9 overs in the first Test, and we're likely going to add Santner in Wellington and again dilute his influence. Bashir bowled 32 overs when his side won the toss and bowled. One of our best talents is being used as a tail shielding batsman and part time spinner. I also feel like he goes silly in the field when he isn't allowed to have an influence on the game - he got carried away and did it in the Australian T20s last season and he did it this week. That cat on a hot tin roof personality does not do well when it's starved of attention
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Worth also mentioning that England in the Baz Ball era have smashed us 5 out of 6 Tests, and lost one when they wanted to win by an innings and play golf (obviously we played good enough cricket to win, but point remains)
This side needs to prove it is decent by finding a way to reverse that dominance. Latham wanted to play it down this week and talk about fine margins although it wasn't fine, we were smashed.
Otherwise, that Indian miracle is looking it was exactly that, rather than a set of results brilliantly planned and executed by not even a great side, but even merely a good one. The evidence is mounting that we've had very,very few decent Test series performances since the WTC win
This side needs to prove it is decent by finding a way to reverse that dominance. Latham wanted to play it down this week and talk about fine margins although it wasn't fine, we were smashed.
Otherwise, that Indian miracle is looking it was exactly that, rather than a set of results brilliantly planned and executed by not even a great side, but even merely a good one. The evidence is mounting that we've had very,very few decent Test series performances since the WTC win
jcas0167
International Regular
I literally was just reading Cleaver's latest substack post about the test :-) Interesting point about Phillips also being underbowled.
What's to say his bowling is jammy, though? Two of the best bowling performances I've seen in the last five years were his insane 3-37 off 10 in the World Cup when the opposition were on to score 450, and the 5-45 at the Basin last year. Who were those against? Australia, for whom a lot of the side have a mental block. You look across his Test career and in most bowling innings', he's contributed.
I don't expect him to bat in the top 4 but even with the bat, he's making good starts more often than not. It's stupid to suggest he can't play the way he did last week, batting one higher. And the only way he's going to get better is to be given more responsibility.
There's only one GP in terms of talent and to my mind we're using it horribly. By Australia 2026-27, let him bat 5, back him as your main spinner in non-spinning conditions, he'll respond. At the moment, he's being used with even less value than Mitchell Santner, given Santner bats one lower but bowls a lot more (and averaged 45+ until Pune). To steal a Cleaver stat, Santner has bowled 30 overs on average per Test, GP 19, and Santner takes a wicket every 78 balls compared to GP's 49.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
In matches involving both Southee and O'Rourke.
Noted bunny O'Rourke has an average partnership of 19.00 from 12 innings. Southee has an average partnership of 18.33 (also from 12 innings).
(Yellow - Southee,
Blue = O'Rourke.
Note that there is no crossoeer, Southee has never managed to be batting with the number 11 in these games.
(If I have done the query correctly ...)
stats.espncricinfo.com
Noted bunny O'Rourke has an average partnership of 19.00 from 12 innings. Southee has an average partnership of 18.33 (also from 12 innings).
(Yellow - Southee,
Blue = O'Rourke.
Note that there is no crossoeer, Southee has never managed to be batting with the number 11 in these games.
(If I have done the query correctly ...)