Joe Root is number one

[flibbertyjibber]

Brook is number 1

 

[Coronis]

Brook is number 1

Would be impressive to jump Williamson, Jaiswal and Root from a single innings.

 

[Qlder]

Would be impressive to jump Williamson, Jaiswal and Root from a single innings.

Well Brook did just pass 2000 runs in the same number of innings (36) as Viv Richards

 

[Molehill]

Not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere, but Joe Root to Number 1 in the list of all time scorers in 4th innings, going past Tendulkar.

But the name that grabs me from this list is the one with the highest average.....Boycott at 58.76!!

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[CodeOfWisden]

Joe Root in SENI - Avg 44.3 , 6 centuries

Virat Kohli in SENA - Avg 44.7, 12 centuries.

Joe Root might be an ATG but definitely a lower tier one, hasn’t gone big in any tour to SENI countries, doesn’t even have more than one century on any tour .

Not much impact in Ashes apart from the 2015 one too, averages around 40 in Ashes.

A bad year or two and he will be back to averaging below 50.

 

[honestbharani]

Joe Root in SENI - Avg 44.3 , 6 centuries

Virat Kohli in SENA - Avg 44.7, 12 centuries.

Joe Root might be an ATG but definitely a lower tier one, hasn’t gone big in any tour to SENI countries, doesn’t even have more than one century on any tour .

Not much impact in Ashes apart from the 2015 one too, averages around 40 in Ashes.

A bad year or two and he will be back to averaging below 50.

SENI for Joe Root? Are you sure you didn't mean SINA?

 

[Johan]

Joe Root in SENI - Avg 44.3 , 6 centuries

Virat Kohli in SENA - Avg 44.7, 12 centuries.

Joe Root might be an ATG but definitely a lower tier one, hasn’t gone big in any tour to SENI countries, doesn’t even have more than one century on any tour .

Not much impact in Ashes apart from the 2015 one too, averages around 40 in Ashes.

A bad year or two and he will be back to averaging below 50.

pakpassion tier argument.

doesn't need many multiple century serieses to influence a series, was pivotal in winning Basil D Oliveira trophy on 2016 and led us to a win in India in 2021 when they were on fire, also singlehandedly won a series in SL and would've won us a series in New Zealand too if not for horrible umpiring, that matters more than arbitrary and random standards like "more than one century"

have Kohli have a bad year or two and he won't even average 45.

 

[Molehill]

SENI for Joe Root? Are you sure you didn't mean SINA?

I think it's a case of pick 4 countries that best suits your stance and give it an acronym!!

I'm on the lookout for a player who has failed in W Indies, Australia, NZ and Kenya....

 

[Johan]

I think it's a case of pick 4 countries that best suits your stance and give it an acronym!!

I'm on the lookout for a player who has failed in W Indies, Australia, NZ and Kenya....

True, Ponting in SINE averages 39.78 with 9 tons in 88 innings, Don't ask me why I left out the other countries!

 

[CodeOfWisden]

I think it's a case of pick 4 countries that best suits your stance and give it an acronym!!

I'm on the lookout for a player who has failed in W Indies, Australia, NZ and Kenya....

SENI for Joe Root? Are you sure you didn't mean SINA?

Yeah I meant SINA only.

@Molehill there is absolutely no random filtering here, I posted their stats in 4 top countries.

 

[Johan]

I'll post more accurate stats imo

Kohli has 9,000 runs at 48 average with a 3 year peak, same era.

Root has 13,000 runs at 51 average with 2 longer peaks, same era.

stats on a Planet called Earth

 

[CodeOfWisden]

I'll post more accurate stats imo

Kohli has 9,000 runs at 48 average with a 3 year peak, same era.

Root has 13,000 runs at 51 average with 2 longer peaks, same era.

stats on a Planet called Earth

I am not arguing that Kohli is better than Root, Roots home exploits and consistency makes him better than Kohli.

The point is that Root is not leagues ahead, and if his overall stats in top countries are lesser than Kohli who is not even an ATG then Root is definitely nothing more than a low tier ATG.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

I'll post more accurate stats imo

Kohli has 9,000 runs at 48 average with a 3 year peak, same era.

Root has 13,000 runs at 51 average with 2 longer peaks, same era.

stats on a Planet called Earth

On the same planet , Williamson has 9k runs at an average of 55.

Doesnt make him better than Root.

The way its going Steve Smith might end up with a lower average than Williamson, won’t change their standings as a test batsman.

 

[Johan]

I am not arguing that Kohli is better than Root, Roots home exploits and consistency makes him better than Kohli.

The point is that Root is not leagues ahead, and if his overall stats in top countries are lesser than Kohli who is not even an ATG then Root is definitely nothing more than a low tier ATG.

Yeah that's clear.

Uh No? sometimes players who aren't ATGs just have huge away performances and big work in some major countries, ever heard of John Snow?

Even Lara himself averages 43.56 in SENAI, Kohli averages higher and has more hundreds in SENAW iirc, and he isn't even an ATG, using the same logic is Lara now a low tier ATG?

 

[Daemon]

Root’s average of 53.32 in SENPAI should be taken into account. He is clearly better than Kohli imo.

 

[Johan]

On the same planet , Williamson has 9k runs at an average of 55.

Doesnt make him better than Root.

The way its going Steve Smith might end up with a lower average than Williamson, won’t change their standings as a test batsman.

because Williamson sucks in like 5-6 countries while Root only has problems in 1. he also sucks in overall stats against the big three while Root has scored against SA and Ind.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

pakpassion tier argument.

doesn't need many multiple century serieses to influence a series, was pivotal in winning Basil D Oliveira trophy on 2016 and led us to a win in India in 2021 when they were on fire, also singlehandedly won a series in SL and would've won us a series in New Zealand too if not for horrible umpiring, that matters more than arbitrary and random standards like "more than one century"

have Kohli have a bad year or two and he won't even average 45.

Which win in India? One test match?

Did he win the series with that knock?

If he would have gone big, Eng could have drawn a test series in India, so please lets not argue about how important it is to score more runs, lol.

Steve Smith is not known as the best after Bradman for just scoring an odd century on a tour and maintaining his average, you need to dominate

 

[CricAddict]

Root’s average of 53.32 in SENPAI should be taken into account. He is clearly better than Kohli imo.

Did you know beforehand on what SENPAI means when you wrote this? Senpai means senior in Japanese.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Steve Smith is not known as the best after Bradman for just scoring an odd century on a tour and maintaining his average

...or at all.

 

[Johan]

Which win in India? One test match?

Did he win the series with that knock?

If he would have gone big, Eng could have drawn a test series in India, so please lets not argue about how important it is to score more runs, lol.

Steve Smith is not known as the best after Bradman for just scoring an odd century on a tour and maintaining his average, you need to dominate

You can't win serieses with knocks lol, as NZ showed, a group effort is required.

India between 2015-2023 won like 50 matches at home with 4 defeats, nobody was beating them in a series in 2021, especially not England bruh we went 2-2 with India in England when Root scored like 700 runs at a 108 average with 4 tons. no way we're winning there

Smith is not the best after Bradman, and he is clear of both Kohli and Root anyway