Where will Jacob Bethell end up being ranked?

[sayon basak]

Moeen was better than Leach and Panesar

The only argument that he has is his beard.

 

[GIMH]

Ah you must not have watched much English cricket in the 21st century.

Yeah, renowned for not watching much English cricket me

 

[trundler]

Off the top of my head.. Verity, Laker, Wardle, Lock, Rhodes, Underwood, Swann, Leach, Peebles, Freeman, Panesar?

Briggs and Blythe instead of Peebles and Freeman.

 

[Coronis]

Briggs and Blythe instead of Peebles and Freeman.

I mean I deliberately didn’t add them b/c I didn’t want to get into any arguments about pre WWI bowlers but yeah they’d definitely join the list too.

 

[Pothas]

Moeen was better than Leach and Panesar

Leach and Panesar both might be better bowlers but not sure either were better at taking wickets. Certainly not in England.

 

[GIMH]

Leach and Panesar both might be better bowlers but not sure either were better at taking wickets. Certainly not in England.

I’m surprised Panesar is even a debatable point. He did have a great tour of India in 2012 of course but otherwise was pretty meh after a good start. Leach I can see both sides.

 

[trundler]

Moeen not making the top 10 might be a slight stretch but he's nowhere near the top 3 either.

 

[Coronis]

Certainly not in England.

Are we even talking about the same players?

In England
Moeen 39 matches 113 @ 34.91
Panesar 22 matches 81 @ 28.76

How is Moeen better at getting wickets in England again?

Leach sure I get but he’s much better away than either of them so far.

 

[Pothas]

That is actually a way better home record for Panesar than I expected

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

When his career is over he'll be in the top 70 for sure.

One match in and he's already in the top 30.

 

[Molehill]

Reckon he'll rank somewhere between Ian Salisbury and Joe Root

If he does that, England have got some cricketer!!

 

[Shri]

Narrator: "They didn't."

 

[GIMH]

That is actually a way better home record for Panesar than I expected

Because of Swann emerging, he was dropped early into his decline whereas we kept going back to Moeen.

Certainly feel Moeen had more memorable/matchwinning spells and contributions

 

[Pothas]

I remember his first summer but not much after that (Cardiff aside.) Those few years were probably when I watched the least amount of cricket.

 

[wpdavid]

If he does that, England have got some cricketer!!

So long as he doesn't bat like Salisbury and bowl like Root.

EDIT
Not that Root's bowling is the worst, tbf.

 

[GIMH]

I remember his first summer but not much after that (Cardiff aside.) Those few years were probably when I watched the least amount of cricket.

There was a good game at OT where he and Jimmy brought us back into it when all looked lost against New Zealand. I don’t remember him doing much else. 07/08 weren’t memorable years for England though, to your point.

 

[wpdavid]

There was a good game at OT where he and Jimmy brought us back into it when all looked lost against New Zealand. I don’t remember him doing much else. 07/08 weren’t memorable years for England though, to your point.

iirc Panesar had some decent spells against Pakistan in 2006. But, as you say, other than that and the NZ match you referred to, not a lot.
When was Swann's first home series, 2009? I doubt whether Panesar played more than half a dozen home tests after then.

 

[GIMH]

iirc Panesar had some decent spells against Pakistan in 2006. But, as you say, other than that and the NZ match you referred to, not a lot.
When was Swann's first home series, 2009? I doubt whether Panesar played more than half a dozen home tests after then.

Yep, Windies at home in 09. Panesar played just the one home game after that - Cardiff that summer. What a way to go out though.

 

[wpdavid]

Yep, Windies at home in 09. Panesar played just the one home game after that - Cardiff that summer. What a way to go out though.

I was going to suggest not more than a couple of home games but thought I must have missed a few, so I took the cowardly way out and suggested half a dozen. Oh well. Yeah memorable end to his home career, although my impression is that he bowled like a drain.

 

[GIMH]

I was going to suggest not more than a couple of home games but thought I must have missed a few, so I took the cowardly way out and suggested half a dozen. Oh well. Yeah memorable end to his home career, although my impression is that he bowled like a drain.

He & Swann both did. As did the seamers. But it didn't matter in the end