Did Marshall and McGrath have it easier?

[Daemon]

It’s obviously more advantageous to bowl as part of a better attack. It’s offset by certain things of course but overall it’s pretty clear imo.

The biggest advantage is you get to hide when you have an off day and end with figures of 1-45 instead of 2-90 which is worse for your overall average. There’s an opposite side to this but on balance it doesn’t outweigh the advantage in most cases I feel.

 

[subshakerz]

It’s obviously more advantageous to bowl as part of a better attack. It’s offset by certain things of course but overall it’s pretty clear imo.

The biggest advantage is you get to hide when you have an off day and end with figures of 1-45 instead of 2-90 which is worse for your overall average. There’s an opposite side to this but on balance it doesn’t outweigh the advantage in most cases I feel.

Not talking about the bowling attack. Talking about the advantage of having an all-star batting lineup regularly set huge first innings totals for you to defend.

 

[Molehill]

Marshall and McGrath's averages were highest in the first innings of a match. For McGrath it was a mediocre 22.92, but for Marshall a pretty putrid 24.41.

Although how much of that was down to the pitch and the toss. When Aus won the toss and put the opposition in, McGrath averaged 20.26 in the first innings, when they lost the toss and the opposition opted to bat then his average was 24.35.

For Marshall it's 19.89 and 24.08.

 

[subshakerz]

Although how much of that was down to the pitch and the toss. When Aus won the toss and put the opposition in, McGrath averaged 20.26 in the first innings, when they lost the toss and the opposition opted to bat then his average was 24.35.

For Marshall it's 19.89 and 24.08.

I think the reason is obvious, Aus choosing to bowl means the conditions are that clearly suitable to bowl.

 

[Molehill]

I think the reason is obvious, Aus choosing to bowl means the conditions are that clearly suitable to bowl.

Yeah, just pointing out that throwing all first innings averages in together doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[Coronis]

Although how much of that was down to the pitch and the toss. When Aus won the toss and put the opposition in, McGrath averaged 20.26 in the first innings, when they lost the toss and the opposition opted to bat then his average was 24.35.

For Marshall it's 19.89 and 24.08.

Good way to determine the best captains - teams first innings batting and bowling averages based on tosses.

 

[subshakerz]

Good way to determine the best captains - teams first innings batting and bowling averages based on tosses.

Calking a toss right should be one of the easier captaincy duties.

 

[kyear2]

Although how much of that was down to the pitch and the toss. When Aus won the toss and put the opposition in, McGrath averaged 20.26 in the first innings, when they lost the toss and the opposition opted to bat then his average was 24.35.

For Marshall it's 19.89 and 24.08.

Good find, and context for the previously posted numbers.

 

[subshakerz]

Good find, and context for the previously posted numbers.

I think this would be the same for any bowler out there.

 

[kyear2]

I think this would be the same for any bowler out there.

So hence, what's your point.

This is your 3rd such thread.

Did slip fielding give them an advantage.

Did being in a strong attack give them an advantage

Now did having a strong batting line up (which we particularly didn't after Lloyd retired) give them an advantage.

How about Bumrah, he's played almost all of his career in the spicy pitche era, had arguably one of the stronger lineups, playing in an era of objectively poor WI, SA, SL batting, and Australia haven't exactly been dominant either, and bowling in a very strong attack.

Does all of that give him an advantage as well, or can we see he's just different?

Probably a bit of both, but definitely a lot of the latter.

 

[subshakerz]

So hence, what's your point.

This is your 3rd such thread.

Did slip fielding give them an advantage.

Did being in a strong attack give them an advantage

Now did having a strong batting line up (which we particularly didn't after Lloyd retired) give them an advantage.

Dude why are you so triggered?

It's a legit question. I want to explore the advantage of scoreboard pressure on the records of ATGs.

The slip catching one was in response to a thread you created on their importance. You should feel flattered.

I'm not even tearing them down since I already conceded they are my no.1 and no.2 bowlers.

How about Bumrah, he's played almost all of his career in the spicy pitche era, had arguably one of the stronger lineups, playing in an era of objectively poor WI, SA, SL batting, and Australia haven't exactly been dominant either, and bowling in a very strong attack.

Does all of that give him an advantage as well, or can we see he's just different?

Lol I definitely see you bringing these points up if we compare him to 'flat pitch era' McGrath