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**Official** 1st Test @ Perth, 22nd-26th November
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Skyliner
International 12th Man
Virat gets to walk out with about 325 runs on the board and then deal with the fiery pace of Marnus in his pomp. Tough runs indeed. The Aussies will no doubt rue the fact that they’ve handed him on a silver platter the chance to find form and confidence.
Rahul’s innings in a big partnership with Jaiswal was a true gem as it laid the platform.
Rahul’s innings in a big partnership with Jaiswal was a true gem as it laid the platform.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
Virat's a proper mental midget, get him out cheaply two innings and he'll be back to his normal output
Burgey
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Honestly think Marnus is completely shot. He hasn’t got age as an excuse but he’s purely looking to survive. He did something similar to his first innings here in one of the Ashes tests last year.
You can’t have a test number three facing 60 balls for two runs. I don’t care who’s bowling, it’s woeful and actually puts a ton of pressure on the entire side. The bowlers aren’t even having to think about their game plans when you aren’t looking to score a run. And if the issue is that he can’t get bat on ball then that’s even worse and he almost definitely needs a breather. The way he’s going atm you could bring in any Shield random player and they couldn’t be worse.
Move McSweeney to three and bring in an opener. I’d be tempted to do it next game but they won’t, so almost certainly the game after that.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Imagine how many he'd have if he wasn't.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Glenn McGrath bowled virtually every day while Truman bowled himself fit
Meanwhile, current Australian quicks are wrapped in cotton wool and generally more injury prone than ever
Silver Silva
International Regular
Top 5 Most Test centuries by a visiting batter in Australia :
JB Hobbs - 9 hundreds in 45 innings
V Kohli - 7 hundreds in 27 innings
WR Hammond - 7 hundreds in 37 innings
H Sutcliffe - 6 hundreds in 25 innings
SR Tendulkar - 6 hundreds in 38 innings
Johan
State Vice-Captain
Virat's been cooked for 5 years bro, I don't care that he scored 4 hundreds in 10 innings in Aus 10 years Ago
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
McGrath was a freak in so many ways. His action was so perfect and he bowled so within himself - sacrificing the physical effort for perfect accuracy - that I think his body could handle the strains a lot better. I don’t think a Bumrah action and the strain that places on his body is comparable.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
For all his faults, and there are perhaps quite a few, but that ain’t one of them.
You gotta remember Father Time is, and always will be, undefeated.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
He is mentally as strong as ever. He is also physically still very good. If anything has gone it is that his razor sharp reflexes and vision have worsened, so that picking up the line/trajectory/movement of the ball could be slower making him late getting in position, and taking catches, judging singles etc. Nonetheless, he still has the aura to dominate many bowlers.
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PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Yea a player with 81 international hundreds and 7 test hundreds in Australia is a mental midget. Makes sense.
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We have lots of bowling stock but very little batting
the big bambino
International Captain
Kohli scores runs and still cops it. He came in on a great platform for sure, but he didn't just face Marnus. It was a very good innings. I don't think it too early to congratulate India. Bumrah has been a good captain and I'm guessing the privilege has inspired his bowling. I'm sure even Kohli would make way for Jaiswal's innings.
As for Aus - so many problems everywhere all at once. I think Marnus should go and move Smith to 3. Smith is on borrowed time too. Similarly Marsh. I'd bring one of Davies, Inglis or Webster for Marnus and bat them at 4 or 5.
I think the bowling needs rejigging too. This same quartet has played many times against India in unsuccessful series. They aren't to blame here but you can't keep picking the same men the opposing batsmen do well against. Cummins stays and Haze was effective when the pitch had life and economical when it flattened out. Starc should go and atm I can't think who should come in so I'll mention several - Jhye, Boland, Spencer Johnson and Bartlett. Maybe they can be given a test each which I'd take if they managed to get through just one.
Lyon stays for the time being. But you'd have to watch his form as closely as that of Murphy, Manetti, Rocchiccioli and I'm not sure if Kuhnemann is even getting game time.
As for Aus - so many problems everywhere all at once. I think Marnus should go and move Smith to 3. Smith is on borrowed time too. Similarly Marsh. I'd bring one of Davies, Inglis or Webster for Marnus and bat them at 4 or 5.
I think the bowling needs rejigging too. This same quartet has played many times against India in unsuccessful series. They aren't to blame here but you can't keep picking the same men the opposing batsmen do well against. Cummins stays and Haze was effective when the pitch had life and economical when it flattened out. Starc should go and atm I can't think who should come in so I'll mention several - Jhye, Boland, Spencer Johnson and Bartlett. Maybe they can be given a test each which I'd take if they managed to get through just one.
Lyon stays for the time being. But you'd have to watch his form as closely as that of Murphy, Manetti, Rocchiccioli and I'm not sure if Kuhnemann is even getting game time.
This is essentially my point. Listening to Bing Lee on that podcast, and stories about how it seems coaching structures are using a one-size-all fit to the management of fast bowlers, both at junior and senior level, I find that problematic. It's almost lazy. Some people, like you say, get fit by bowling. I know I did. I never had an acute soft tissue injury in all years playing, even bowling 20-25 overs in a day in school cricket, the same plus playing 2-3 times a week as a teenager in England, and so on. I got strong by repeating the action, by running in all day. Not bowling on hard astro nets/surfaces because that's proven to be detrimental to fast bowlers, but by learning how to manage my body by bowling lots of overs.
True. Didn't those guys play tour matches on Ashes tours as well? I think of guys like Sir Richard Hadlee, the Windies quicks and so on, who bowled a mountain of overs in county cricket and were still cherry ripe to go on Test tours, as well. It's almost like the sports scientists put themselves out of a job by saying actually you just need to bowl overs, do enough in the nets, recover well, don't blast in on concrete based nets, and so on. There's taking it too far, like when Joe Root desperately bowled Jofra into the ground, but it's a fast bowler's job to know how much is too much, and how much they need to be bowling to be at their best. I'm honestly not a luddite and I back sports science when it's applicable, but I honestly don't think it has a lot to offer in the way of bowling loads.
This is outrageous. He didn't make runs in the first innings. It won't go on the podium as the greatest hundred in history but downplaying its merits is pretty ridiculous, I reckon.
Lot of kneejerking in this thread. The Australian quicks are the best in the business, and got dominated...once. McSweeney got cleaned up by a grass grubber. Marnus probably does need to go, but the contenders aren't scoring runs, either.
vicleggie
State Vice-Captain
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