DrWolverine
U19 Cricketer
The better bowler
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ODIs : Murali vs Saqlain
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Saqlain was as good as elite ATG pacers.
Murali is close due to longevity.
Murali is close due to longevity.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Saqlain easily if it is 10 years
Murali if it is 15 years.
10 years is good enough career.
Saqlain > Murali.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yes pretty much I have come to this as well.
Migara
International Coach
Murali had a peak between 2001 - 2005 where he was better than Saqlain at his peak. Saqlain's top ICC rating is 805. For Murali it is 913.
That is 2001 to 2005, Murali took 182 wickets in 106 matches at 17.96. if you Include 2006 then 218 at 20.2
That is basically as about 90% of Saqlain's career
That is 2001 to 2005, Murali took 182 wickets in 106 matches at 17.96. if you Include 2006 then 218 at 20.2
That is basically as about 90% of Saqlain's career
Coronis
International Coach
Stop quoting the meaningless rankings all the time.
Migara
International Coach
Those rankings are way better than partisan / nationalistic rants that is a pain on grey matter
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Rankings kind of also depends on your quality of opposition, or no?
Migara
International Coach
Yes it seems. They have not divulged the methodology. If a bowler performs well against team with high rank bats, the rise of the rating would be high. Then doing poor against trash sides will hurt as well.
Coronis
International Coach
Ah yes never seen any of that from you either.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
So you agree on Kapil Dev being GOAT ODI AR without competition.
Migara
International Coach
never doubted Kapil as ODI cricketer.
Migara
International Coach
Another one
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
They just get @Daemon to make all the numbers up IMO.
Migara
International Coach
The above issue is one of the problems I see in rankings. We can understand good performance against good sides carrying more weight. However doing worse against bad sides cost more than doing same against good sides. In reality, not doing well against good sides cost the side much more. There will always be another to put their hand up and perform against trash sides, so a poor performance don't matter much in outcomes.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Murali should win based on longevity not peak.
Migara
International Coach
The argument is, even with peak Murali wins. Above data as well as peak ICC ranking supports the claim.
The more comparable would be Saqlain vs Warne comparison.