kyear2
International Coach
Is it easier to be the GOAT at home when the pitches are literally prepared to suit you.
Warne didn't have that.
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Warne didn't have that.
kyear2
International Coach
Then look at the stats, it's there.
kyear2
International Coach
And the real test is them how they did away.
This is an interesting point and one I've never correlated in my head. But quite comparable.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Like how you don't want to for Don and Sobers???
Clear skill issue. Warne's home record is levels below Murali, and really, all Murali got were the standard Sri Lankan pitches, which you claim to be dust bowl but will claim as pancakes when discussing Sangakkara and Jayawardene......
kyear2
International Coach
If you can't see the difference in assistance between the wickets that Warne got at home compared to those that Murali got, then this discussion is pointless.
But as I said said recently, explains a lot.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
If you can't see the difference between their support and being the best Home bowler of all time makes, this discussion is infact pointless.
And really, explains a lot.
kyear2
International Coach
Best home bowler in the best home conditions, and again overall they are close.
But the lack of support is also what helped contribute to his insane wpm. It worked both ways.
Murali was brilliant and I have him and Warne practically tied, but of I have to chose one, it's Warne.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Their are many home bowlers in history who had better home conditions (English bowlers in the uncovered days, SA bowlers in the 2010s, current India, etc) and none is really better than him.
Yeah, and most likely hurt him a fair few points in Average. It really works both ways and bowling in a strong attack is far more beneficial.
Warne was brilliant and I have him close to Murali, but as bowlers I would place Murali ahead with a slight gap.
kyear2
International Coach
Between the home conditions and the minnows, that explains the average gap tbh.
And for the record I have Murali either 5th or 6th all time, so in no way disrespect to him, bit to suggest theses some gap between him and Warne, I don't see it.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Exclude the minnows and add the less shielding, you will get the better picture.
FTR, I have Warne at 7th, but no disrespect being behind Murali.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
If I'm picking a wicket keeper purely for batting I'll just pick Bradman.
As soon as you factor in actual wicket keeping even a tiny amount I'm definitely not picking Flower.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
There is zero evidence to prove Andy Flower was not a good wicket keeper.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Could say the same for Bradman tbf.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
The fact that he never did it at the highest level is a decent proof tbf.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Maybe they didn't want to overburden him.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Skill issue. Flower took the overburden like a champ despite literally being the Bradman for his team
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I mean what is your bowling attack that you want Warny to bat at 8??
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Since when did Warne have issue with workload? The guy took over 700 wickets man. And he was awesome in SL, the wickets clearly suited him.