Jack Hobbs vs Sachin Tendulkar

[Coronis]

According to him basically, the difference in Bradman's and Sobers' batting and of Sobers' and Lara's is the same. That's what I disagree with, not for the lines but what he meant by that.

Yeah, this thread got way off after a Great start, and I am to blame for that partially.

He never said that? He just put them in different tiers, unless I missed it.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He never said that? He just put them in different tiers, unless I missed it.

He actually did I believe. Not a direct comparison, but the whole point of bringing the bowlers Don faced was just that.

 

[debraj72]

Hobbs had an average of 57 in test cricket before first world war,apart from ranjitsinghji and faulkner, anyone else crossed 40? (At least with 1000 runs).Also if i am not wrong, he was the first one to successfully combat with south african googly bowlers, Don't think, Sachin was ever this much of a standout from his generation,with all due respect.(Sorry if i have committed any grammatical mistake)

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hobbs had an average of 57 in test cricket before first world war,apart from ranjitsinghji and faulkner, anyone else crossed 40? (At least with 1000 runs).Also if i am not wrong, he was the first one to successfully combat with south african googly bowlers, Don't think, Sachin was ever this much of a standout from his generation,with all due respect.(Sorry if i have committed any grammatical mistake)

Trumper and Hill almost did, and Herbie Taylor, Warren Bardsley and Charlie MaCartney did overall; but no one else purely pre WWI with a decent sample size. Pretty much why I rate Hobbs higher

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I would still place the 79 England higher for that 221, but the rest I agree with. I really meant around equal. Also, I would rate Gavaskar slightly higher at home over Viv.

Agree with the home point.

 

[Johan]

Trumper and Hill almost did, and Herbie Taylor, Warren Bardsley and Charlie MaCartney did overall; but no one else purely pre WWI with a decent sample size. Pretty much why I rate Hobbs higher

wonder if Trumper vs Hobbs was a debate back in 1900s

 

[BazBall21]

I think it was. Trumper was extremely highly regarded at the time.

 

[capt_Luffy]

wonder if Trumper vs Hobbs was a debate back in 1900s

It more than was. Most who saw both rated Trumper even above Don. Believe some 15 peers were asked, and all but one rated Trumper higher (Rhodes rated Don).

 

[kyear2]

Hobbs had an average of 57 in test cricket before first world war,apart from ranjitsinghji and faulkner, anyone else crossed 40? (At least with 1000 runs).Also if i am not wrong, he was the first one to successfully combat with south african googly bowlers, Don't think, Sachin was ever this much of a standout from his generation,with all due respect.(Sorry if i have committed any grammatical mistake)

That is very true.

His overall thought process is that both were head and shoulders above their peers.

Sachin was never head and shoulders above Lara and there was constant discussion throughout their career about who was the best and they took turns as the leading and best batsman in the world.

I assure you there was no such discussion during Viv's time.


I don't rate pre WWI players, and for multiple reasons, but Hobbs was indeed the GOAT and the stand out until Bradman came along.

 

[Johan]

That is very true.

His overall thought process is that both were head and shoulders above their peers.

Sachin was never head and shoulders above Lara and there was constant discussion throughout their career about who was the best and they took turns as the leading and best batsman in the world.

I assure you there was no such discussion during Viv's time.


I don't rate pre WWI players, and for multiple reasons, but Hobbs was indeed the GOAT and the stand out until Bradman came along.

Late 90s where Lara seemed to be fading might be a time, tho Lara had similar timeframes over Tendulkar.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Late 90s where Lara seemed to be fading might be a time, tho Lara had similar timeframes over Tendulkar.

2003-06??? SRT's Greatest advantage over Lara is simply that when Lara retired he already was ahead, and then played for 6 more years and had another brilliant late peak.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That is very true.

His overall thought process is that both were head and shoulders above their peers.

Sachin was never head and shoulders above Lara and there was constant discussion throughout their career about who was the best and they took turns as the leading and best batsman in the world.

I assure you there was no such discussion during Viv's time.


I don't rate pre WWI players, and for multiple reasons, but Hobbs was indeed the GOAT and the stand out until Bradman came along.

More about perceptions really. Both Tendulkar and Lara were attacking attractive batsmen. Viv was so, Gavaskar wasn't. For similar reasons many people rated Compton higher than Hutton when they played together.

 

[Johan]

2003-06??? SRT's Greatest advantage over Lara is simply that when Lara retired he already was ahead, and then played for 6 more years and had another brilliant late peak.

I've Tendulkar > Lara as overall careers too dw

 

[capt_Luffy]

I've Tendulkar > Lara as overall careers too dw

Yeah, I guessed that, just commented on what I perceive as the reason for Tendulkar and Lara being close but only one being the contender for 2nd Best.

 

[sayon basak]

I again apologize, this was a splendid thread

Not a very effective way to apologize.

Try this instead:-

I'm actually too stupid to get that.

Apologies.

 

[_00_deathscar]

To be honest, I thought Kohli in his early approached the level of dedication towards his craft that Sachin exhibited, but then Kohli fell off the cliff and seems to have lost the fire. I never got the impression Sachin care about anything but cricket.

Omelettes and vada pav

 

[_00_deathscar]

Might be Sobers found Gupte a bit difficult to bat. Or it can be Qadiresque situation (though better spinners existed back then, Sobers himself played a fair few). Or my favourite, it was a jab at Benaud as the latter rated Kanhai higher.

So basically, cricket player opinions on each other can be discarded

 

[subshakerz]

So basically, cricket player opinions on each other can be discarded

I find this a very arrogant position frankly.

 

[DrWolverine]

I never got the impression Sachin care about anything but cricket.

He was lucky that his family was very supportive.

Even now he avoids being a selector, coach or mentor. He tries to stay away from any controversy.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I find this a very arrogant position frankly.

Not really - a lot of sports players have bizarre opinions, either cos they’re really weird or like attention seeking pieces (Pele considered El Hadji Diouf one of the 100 best players. Sometimes, like you see in cricket especially, it can just be a case of “I found this player the hardest to face/bowl to” (Crowe/Wasim) but they don’t always caveat it like that and just go all in with “this guy was the best”.

You could argue consensus sure, but individual opinions don’t really matter much as shown above.