Sanath Jayasuriya VS Jacques Kallis

[Cricket Bliss]

Who is the better ODI Player

 

[sayon basak]

Jayasuriya:-
13430 runs @32.4 S/R:- 91.2
323 wickets @36.8 WPM:- 0.726

Kallis:-
11529 runs @44.4 S/R:- 72.9
273 wickets @31.8 WPM:-0.832

Kallis with a much better bowling record and higher batting average. Guess people are gonna choose Jayasuriya for his explosive opening and for sort of revolutionizing the role.

Don't know. Jayasuriya maybe. Either way it should be close.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Sanath

 

[capt_Luffy]

Jayasuriya:-
13430 runs @32.4 S/R:- 91.2
323 wickets @36.8 WPM:- 0.726

Kallis:-
11529 runs @44.4 S/R:- 72.9
273 wickets @31.8 WPM:-0.832

Kallis with a much better bowling record and higher batting average. Guess people are gonna choose Jayasuriya for his explosive opening and for sort of revolutionizing the role.

Don't know. Jayasuriya maybe. Either way it should be close.

It shan't be. Kallis' SR cost his team too much way too often. Him batting at times was quite detrimental for his team at times. Jayasuriya is the perfect opposite of that. Every single ball he faced was valuable. Re bowling, Kallis has a better Avg, but don't think that matters much. Around equal in that. Overall ODIs, I think it's Not close. Jayasuriya is in serious contention for ODI AT XI, Kallis would be lucky to get in SA one.

 

[sayon basak]

It shan't be. Kallis' SR cost his team too much way too often. Him batting at times was quite detrimental for his team at times. Jayasuriya is the perfect opposite of that. Every single ball he faced was valuable. Re bowling, Kallis has a better Avg, but don't think that matters much. Around equal in that. Overall ODIs, I think it's Not close. Jayasuriya is in serious contention for ODI AT XI, Kallis would be lucky to get in SA one.

What would be An ODI AT XI?
Sachin Tendulkar, Virat Kohli, Viv Richards, AB De Villiers, MS Dhoni, Kapil Dev, Muralitharan, Joel Garner, Wasim Akram are some names that come to mind. Jayasuriya as the other opener? Was Saqlain Mushtaq better than murali in odi's? Does Bevan need to be there with Dhoni?

What about Shakib?

 

[Thala_0710]

What would be An ODI AT XI?
Sachin Tendulkar, Virat Kohli, Viv Richards, AB De Villiers, MS Dhoni, Kapil Dev, Muralitharan, Joel Garner, Wasim Akram are some names that come to mind. Jayasuriya as the other opener? Was Saqlain Mushtaq better than murali in odi's? Does Bevan need to be there with Dhoni?

What about Shakib?

I'd go:
World Xi
Rohit
Sachin
Richards
Kohli
ABD
Dhoni*+
Klusener
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali

World A
Jayasuriya
Gilchrist +
Ponting*
Abbas
Lara
Bevan
Dev
Pollock
Bond
Starc
Saqlain

World B
Anwar
Amla
Sanga+
Azam
Jones
Hussey
Flintoff
Hadlee
Warne*
Bumrah
Waqar

 

[capt_Luffy]

What would be An ODI AT XI?
Sachin Tendulkar, Virat Kohli, Viv Richards, AB De Villiers, MS Dhoni, Kapil Dev, Muralitharan, Joel Garner, Wasim Akram are some names that come to mind. Jayasuriya as the other opener? Was Saqlain Mushtaq better than murali in odi's? Does Bevan need to be there with Dhoni?

What about Shakib?

Okay, so a World XI has the following look up:

Tendulkar
X
Kohli
Viv
ABD
Dhoni/Bevan
X
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali

If you aren't too posh, you mostly have something similar. Now the other picks two are pretty combination dependent. Tendulkar's partner can be either of Lara, Sharma, Jayasuriya, Gilchrist, Anwar, Greenidge, Amla, Warner, Watson etc. If Bevan plays then probably Gilchrist is the favourite, though not confirmed as ABD can also keep. Now you can also be funky and open with Ponting, Abbas or Jones. The middle 3 is hard to displace mostly. You could technically go with Hussey, Abbas, Jones, Symonds or Buttler in place of either of Dhoni/Bevan but really, you shan't. Dhoni slightly ahead of Bevan for being the keeper and providing better flexibility for the opener. Now on the other X, it can be a fistful of all-rounders, dependent on the other position, in Dev, Klusener, Flintoff, Imran, Shakib (yes he indeed is viable here, quite an underrated ODI player), Watson (ideally should open if plays), etc. If you have batting all-rounder as an opener like Jayasuriya (mostly him) or Watson, I think Klusener will be the best pick; while I will go Dev if it's just a normal batter. The 4 bowlers pretty much picks themselves in Akram, McGrath, Garner and Murali, though there is one exception. Ideally you could go with Saqlain (not so much Warne imho) in place of Murali or Starc for either of Garner/McGrath, but hardly most do. Now, onto the exception, it's Shaun Pollock. He is too good an ODI player, and to include him and strengthen your 8, you have to bin either of McGrath/Garner. You can if you want to especially when having a bowling all-rounder at 7, like Dev.

My Teams:

Tendulkar
Lara
Kohli
Viv
ABD
Dhoni+*
Dev
Pollock
Akram
Garner
Murali

Team A:

Jayasuriya
Gilchrist+
Ponting*
Jones
Abbas
Bevan
Klusener
Starc
Saqlain
Bumrah
McGrath


Team B:

Sharma*
Anwar
Sangakkara+
Azam
Hussey
Flintoff
Symonds
Hadlee
Warne
Donald
Waqar


Team C:

Greenidge
Watson
Amla
De Silva*
Taylor
Buttler+
Shakib
Rashid
Lee
Ambrose
Bond


Team D:

Warner
De Kock+
Ganguly
Chappell
Crowe
Yuvraj
Imran*
Vaas
Shami
Tahir
Malinga

Team E:

Waugh
Dilshan
Williamson
Miandad
Lloyd*
Klaasen+
Afridi
Vettori
Holding
Lillee
FdV


Team F:

Hayden
Gayle
Kallis
Du Plessis*
Bairstow+
Miller
Maxwell
Hogg
Johnson
Roberts
Bracken

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'd go:
World Xi
Rohit
Sachin
Richards
Kohli
ABD
Dhoni*+
Klusener
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali

World A
Jayasuriya
Gilchrist +
Ponting*
Abbas
Lara
Bevan
Dev
Bond
Starc
Saqlain
Lee

Imo, Pollock should really make atleast the second team.

 

[Thala_0710]

Imo, Pollock should really make atleast the second team.

Yeah probably should take him over Lee

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Okay, so a World XI has the following look up:

Tendulkar
X
Kohli
Viv
ABD
Dhoni/Bevan
X
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali

If you aren't too posh, you mostly have something similar. Now the other picks two are pretty combination dependent. Tendulkar's partner can be either of Lara, Sharma, Jayasuriya, Gilchrist, Anwar, Greenidge, Amla, Warner, Watson etc. If Bevan plays then probably Gilchrist is the favourite, though not confirmed as ABD can also keep. Now you can also be funky and open with Ponting, Abbas or Jones. The middle 3 is hard to displace mostly. You could technically go with Hussey, Abbas, Jones, Symonds or Buttler in place of either of Dhoni/Bevan but really, you shan't. Dhoni slightly ahead of Bevan for being the keeper and providing better flexibility for the opener. Now on the other X, it can be a fistful of all-rounders, dependent on the other position, in Dev, Klusener, Flintoff, Imran, Shakib (yes in indeed is viable here, quite an underrated ODI player), Watson (ideally should open if plays), etc. If you have batting all-rounder as an opener like Jayasuriya (mostly him) or Watson, I think Klusener will be the best pick; while I will go Dev if it's just a normal batter. The 4 bowlers pretty much picks themselves in Akram, McGrath, Garner and Murali, though there is one exception. Ideally you could go with Saqlain (not so much Warne imho) in place of Murali or Starc for either of Garner/McGrath, but hardly most do. Now, onto the exception, it's Shaun Pollock. He is too good an ODI player, and to include him and strengthen your 8, you have to bin either of McGrath/Garner. You can if you want to especially when having a bowling all-rounder at 7, like Dev.

I agree with almost all of this.

For the atg XI I'd go

Tendulkar
Lara
Kohli
Viv
ABD
Dhoni+*
Pollock Woakes
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali

 

[sayon basak]

I agree with almost all of this.

For the atg XI I'd go

Tendulkar
Lara
Kohli
Viv
ABD
Dhoni+*
Pollock Woakes
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali

We were not considering immortals (i.e. Woakes, Jadeja etc.) for fair competition.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

It shan't be. Kallis' SR cost his team too much way too often. Him batting at times was quite detrimental for his team at times. Jayasuriya is the perfect opposite of that. Every single ball he faced was valuable. Re bowling, Kallis has a better Avg, but don't think that matters much. Around equal in that. Overall ODIs, I think it's Not close. Jayasuriya is in serious contention for ODI AT XI, Kallis would be lucky to get in SA one.

Kallis lucky to get into SA XI is too much of a drag, especially considering he is the only reason why South Africa won their only ICC Event

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kallis lucky to get into SA XI is too much of a drag, especially considering he is the only reason why South Africa won their only ICC Event

De Kock+
Amla
Kallis
Du Plessis
ABD
Miller
Klusener
Pollock
Tahir
FdV
Donald

Kallis is very easily replaceable here by Gibbs and Cronje both. Kallis is mostly here for his bowling as Lance is not good enough to bowl 10 overs regularly at this level, but even then Cronje is almost as good an option. Can really good in any way among these 3.

 

[Thala_0710]

De Kock+
Amla
Kallis
Du Plessis
ABD
Miller
Klusener
Pollock
Tahir
FdV
Donald

Kallis is very easily replaceable here by Gibbs and Cronje both. Kallis is mostly here for his bowling as Lance is not good enough to bowl 10 overs regularly at this level, but even then Cronje is almost as good an option. Can really good in any way among these 3.

FdV? Surely Steyn/Ntini over him?

 

[capt_Luffy]

FdV? Surely Steyn/Ntini over him?

No way. FdV was a top tier ODI bowler. I rate him REALLY highly, like I think he made World E or something. He was miserly taken to the finest level. Steyn wasn't even better than Morkel in ODIs imo.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

De Kock+
Amla
Kallis
Du Plessis
ABD
Miller
Klusener
Pollock
Tahir
FdV
Donald

Kallis is very easily replaceable here by Gibbs and Cronje both. Kallis is mostly here for his bowling as Lance is not good enough to bowl 10 overs regularly at this level, but even then Cronje is almost as good an option. Can really good in any way among these 3.

Cronje was never near Kallis as an all rounder and even by considering batting alone Kallis exceeds by far as the difference in their average is higher than strike rate….
and Gibbs as no. 3 ? seriously??

Going by impact 98 Knockout Trophy was solely about the performance of Kallis..

Kallis definitely fits easily in an all time South Africa XI

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I'll go with Sanath just for the value he brings to the table...also, a WC winner.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Cronje was never near Kallis as an all rounder and even by considering batting alone Kallis exceeds by far as the difference in their average is higher than strike rate….
and Gibbs as no. 3 ? seriously??

Going by impact 98 Knockout Trophy was solely about the performance of Kallis..

Kallis definitely fits easily in an all time South Africa XI

Gibbs to open, Amla at 3. And like if Cronje plays he bats at 5; giving SA better flexibility. Kallis being too slow at times in ODIs isn't a criticism I bestowed on him, but almost all the Saffa and opposition fans of late 90s early 2000s does.

 

[trundler]

The correct take is obviously:

Du Plessis
De Villiers
Miller
Cronje/Duminy
Klusener

In due time Klaasen is going to make this discussion moot.

 

[trundler]

Van Der Dussen also at least deserves a mention. Now that I think about it he may already deserve to be the #3 in SA's side.