India Xi vs Pakistan Xi (from 1970s)

[Thala_0710]

The inevitable conclusion:
Who wins in this Asian rivalry?

IND Xi:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Pant
Jadeja
Kapil
Ashwin
Shami
Bumrah

Pak Xi:
Anwar
Azhar
Younis
Miandad
Inzamam
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar
Akhtar

 

[Johan]

Pakistan mid diffs

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Azhar was a no 3. He didn't open very mucj

 

[Johan]

Anwar
Hanif
Younis
Miandad
Yousuf
Inzamam
Rizwan (WK)
Imran
Wasim
Waqar
Saqlain

 

[BazBall21]

Azhar was a no 3. He didn't open very mucj

I don't have much of a problem with no3s opening but Anwar and Hanif are both better than Azhar anyway.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I don't have much of a problem with no3s opening but Anwar and Hanif are both better than Azhar anyway.

Hanif played in the 50s

 

[subshakerz]

Anwar
Hanif
Younis
Miandad
Yousuf
Inzamam
Rizwan (WK)
Imran
Wasim
Waqar
Saqlain

Pretty much though I think Abbas has a case over Yousuf

 

[BazBall21]

Hanif played in the 50s

I forgot it is 1970- and not all time XI.

 

[subshakerz]

The inevitable conclusion:
Who wins in this Asian rivalry?

IND Xi:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Pant
Jadeja
Kapil
Ashwin
Shami
Bumrah

Pak Xi:
Anwar
Azhar
Younis
Miandad
Inzamam
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar
Akhtar

I've come to the conclusion you don't need 5 regular bowling options for ATG XIs. Pak win imo.

 

[capt_Luffy]

In Pakistan AT XI, just the Mohammad brothers will come in for Azhar Ali and Akhtar.

 

[Slifer]

Neutral location still Pakistan. India just don't have enough bowling fire power to make up the difference. Bumrah has closed the gap but he's just one player. India certainly have the better batting though.

 

[Thala_0710]

Neutral location still Pakistan. India just don't have enough bowling fire power to make up the difference. Bumrah has closed the gap but he's just one player. India certainly have the better batting though.

I still think the batting gap is much bigger and would compensate for it. If the batting gaps and bowling gaps were approximately equal I would go with the bowling team. But here, the batting gap is too big for me. IND has 2 ATGs and 3 batsmen better than all Pak batsman, with the 4th one being approximately equal (slightly behind for me). Sehwag is also easily better than both the openers and Pant/Dhoni, (whoever you go with) is easily better than Rizwan too. Add to that IND have a much superior spin attack too. Wasim and Imran alone wouldn't be able to make up such a gap imo

 

[BazBall21]

I forgot it is 1970- and not all time XI.

I think accomplished no3s opening is justifiable though. Middle order players being shoehorned there isn't.

 

[Slifer]

I respectfully disagree and here's why. Outside of a rank turner , I don't see India's spinners doing much against the Pakistan batting. Therefore it'll be down to Dev, Bumrah and Shami. Bumrah is Bumrah he's great and all but he's no superman. And I shudder to think what Imran, Wasim and Shoaib would do to India's lineup on any wicket with anything in it. On a flat surface, India's bowling won't have enough fire power to take out Pakistans lineup and probably vice versa. But, Shoaib, Imran and Wasim and Bumrah have proven they can take the pitch out of the equation, so there's that.

 

[BazBall21]

Pakistan just.

 

[ma1978]

The reality is the Pakistan XI looks great on paper but the Indian XI has much better results when the played (individually and collectively as a lot of them overlapped) than the Pakistan XI. India has been a more successful team since 1970 and it should stand to reason their AT XI is better. Other than not losing to the West Indies, Pakistan has very few test accomplishments of note in this time.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Pakistan might have more ATG pacers but the difference in batting quality is large as well, Sachin Dravid, Gavaskar are on another level compared to any other Pakistani batsman. Pakistan has one ATG batter, three ATVG batters.

India has Three ATG, one Potential ATG, two ATVgs, so the difference is good enough to compensate for bowling.

Its very close but India takes this.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

I respectfully disagree and here's why. Outside of a rank turner , I don't see India's spinners doing much against the Pakistan batting. Therefore it'll be down to Dev, Bumrah and Shami. Bumrah is Bumrah he's great and all but he's no superman. And I shudder to think what Imran, Wasim and Shoaib would do to India's lineup on any wicket with anything in it. On a flat surface, India's bowling won't have enough fire power to take out Pakistans lineup and probably vice versa. But, Shoaib, Imran and Wasim and Bumrah have proven they can take the pitch out of the equation, so there's that.

Waqar as well. Absolute beast. No Indian fast bowler outside of Bumrah is at the level of Pakistan. Pakistan has probably the best bowling attack of any country if we talking about this type of fantasy matchup taking place at every player’s peak.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Imagine having to face Shoaib Akhtar after facing Imran, Wasim, and Waqar

 

[Coronis]

Waqar as well. Absolute beast. No Indian fast bowler outside of Bumrah is at the level of Pakistan. Pakistan has probably the best bowling attack of any country if we talking about this type of fantasy matchup taking place at every player’s peak.

Depends how long a peak we’re talking about. And how important you consider a spinner to be.