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Jacques Kallis vs Ricky Ponting
- Thread starter PlayerComparisons
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Coronis
International Coach
Ahhh haven’t played forum mafia in years.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Kalis being massively underrated here. He has slightly superior to Sachinesque averages over a not that much shorter time frame, something Ponting can't hope to touch.
Even acknowledging Punter's superior destructive peak, I can't use that to take this away from Kallis.
Even acknowledging Punter's superior destructive peak, I can't use that to take this away from Kallis.
Coronis
International Coach
We don’t really have proper stats vs one bowler for anyone (by proper I mean how many runs the batsman actually scored off a particular bowler in any given innings) but I know Kallis dismissed Ponting 6 times. Unfortunately this occurred in 5 tests SA lost, and one they barely clung onto for a draw.
Johan
State 12th Man
is cricmetric accurate for this? really getting the vibe Punter was weaker against Swing/Seam bowling than Jack was for some reason.
PlayerComparisons
International Regular
Kallis was definitely better against swing and seam movement. Ponting’s strengths were more against pace and bounce.
Johan
State 12th Man
I mean...the ability to play Bounce is not going to save you in an argument if someone is far superior against the other two facets of bowling (Spin and Swing/Seam).
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Hence, Kallis>Ponting (proved).
PlayerComparisons
International Regular
Yea I rate Kallis slightly higher than Ponting
Johan
State 12th Man
If Ponting really is a fraud that was only ATG against one type of bowling I really have to move a few players above him, but again his peak was absurd.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
It was very high scoring, but in an era with hardly any top tier bowlers or bowling friendly pitches; and with several others averaging in the 60s (Dravid, Kallis, Lara, Hayden, Yousuf in parts). Batting for such a strong team and having some quite flat home pitches definitely helped as well. Overall, that peak is definitely top 10, but I don't think top 5 as most people put it.
PlayerComparisons
International Regular
Ponting was great against pace overall but definitely the worst against spin of all the great batsman of the modern era.
Johan
State 12th Man
would you consider him Viv level in pace play...
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
@capt_Luffyif Cricmetric is accurate for Batsmen v Bowler comparision, I just stumbled on a gold mine for Ponting haters.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Hey, I am not a Ponting hater!!! Why would I be???
Anyways @Johan , you can feel free to share this info here.
PlayerComparisons
International Regular
Probably not but hard to compare to those older players. Definitely not as good as Sachin against pace IMO.
Johan
State 12th Man
Viv could play seamers etc
Never heard of it. It looks accurate to me from a quick glance, but they only have this data going back to 2002 or so.