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Bowling All Rounders or Batting All Rounders +

Which is more important to a team

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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Which of the two has more utility and value for a team.

Would it be better if one of your bowlers can bat a bit or if your batsman can contribute with the ball and be an ace in the cordon.
 
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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
First of all, leaving Sobers and Imran out of this, they're the ones that speaks the issues.

But reading the all rounders vs specialists thread, and listening to some of the arguments made me wonder how the community sees it. It was mentioned how the specialists lacked bowling depth and any niggle or injury puts them on the back foot.

The bowler who can contribute with the bat, or the batsmen who can be your 4th or 5th bowler who's also your best slip fielder who operates at an ATG level.

So basically guys like

Hadlee | Pollock | Jadeja | Dev | Ashwin

Vs

Kallis | Hammond | Simpson | Barlow | Greig

I know the community is slanted towards bowlers, but let's see where this goes.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
kyear2 said:
Which of the two has more utility and value for a team.

Would it be better if one of your bowlers can bat a bit or if your batsman can contribute with the ball and be an ace in the cordon.
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kyear2 said:
First of all, leaving Sobers and Imran out of this
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How to start a thread about Sobers and Imran without making it about Sobers and Imran.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Greig was hardly a batting all-rounder, definitely not in the mould of Hammond, Simpson or Worrell. Averaged 28 with the bat in non-Test FCs. If anything, he was a pure all-rounder, even slightly a bowling one in FC overall.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Coronis said:
How to start a thread about Sobers and Imran without making it about Sobers and Imran.
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Becuse it's been done, creates animosity and not what I want to discuss.

Sobers was (imo) a top 4 batsman, a top 5 slip fielder and by far the most versatile bowler ever, with an unmatched workload to boot.

Imran was a top 6 pacer, best ever lower order bat and a captain of note.

Only Procter, and possibly Hadlee comes close to Imran and Sobers had no peers.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Greig was hardly a batting all-rounder, definitely not in the mould of Hammond, Simpson or Worrell. Averaged 28 with the bat in non-Test FCs. If anything, he was a pure all-rounder, even slightly a bowling one in FC overall.
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Who are you replacing him with?

Actually on due reflection, doesn't matter.

Think the best comps are Kallis vs Pollock. Neither flashy, but effective.

Who was more valuable to their team.

The top 15 batsman who was a godly slip and useful 4th / 5th bowler or the top 20 bowler who averaged 30 with the bat.
 
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GirthQuake

GirthQuake

School Boy/Girl Captain
kyear2 said:
Kallis didn't have nearly the bowling load or versatility.

I just took out the (contentious) outliers.

Ignoring the Jadeja part.
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That's like closing your eyes to make the reality go away. Jadeja is every bit an outlier as those two. Same with Ashwin.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
Who are you replacing him with?

Actually on due reflection, doesn't matter.

Think the best comps are Kallis vs Pollock. Neither flashy, but effective.

Who was more valuable to their team.

The top 15 batsman who was a godly slip and useful 4th / 5th bowler or the top 20 bowler who averaged 30 with the bat.
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Imo Kallis was a better bat than Pollock a bowler, so Kallis overall ahead.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
GirthQuake said:
That's like closing your eyes to make the reality go away. Jadeja is every bit an outlier as those two. Same with Ashwin.
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So I'll bite.

Imran is a top 10 ATG bowler and as good a lower order batsman as there's ever been.

Sobers was a top tier top 5 batsman, a top tier top 5 slip fielder and the most versatile bowler ever.

For you, where does Jadeja and Ashwin fit in with those two? They don't even compare to Hadlee or Pollock. Where is Jadeja even an ATG?
 
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govinda indian fan

First Class Debutant
kyear2 said:
So I'll bite.

Imran is a top 10 ATG bowler and as good a lower order batsman as there's ever been.

Sobers was a top tier top 5 batsman, a top tier top 5 slip fielder and the most versatile bowler ever.

For you, where does Jadeja and Ashwin fit in with those two? They don't even compare to Hadlee or Pollock. Where is Jadeja even an ATG?
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Jadeja is greatest spin bowling all rounder. average of 24 with ball and avearage of 37 with bat doesnt that make him atg
 
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Thala_0710

State 12th Man
kyear2 said:
So who's the ideal comp?

And from your vote you believe bowling all rounders have greater import?
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I actually don't know. Bowling all rounders vs batting all rounders is close too and basically comes down to particular players. Great bowlers in general affect results of tests more than great batters imo. Does slip fielding make up for the difference? Maybe, but it's too tough to call. Might change my mind later and vote for batting AR's
 
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