*OFFICIAL* England in Pakistan 2024

[Apex Predator]

Who will they drop for kamran? Babar and shan are undropble rizwan is wk saud shakeel is in form batter who would he replace

Shan opens Ayub dropped. Shan is a natural opener.

 

[govinda indian fan]

That was kinda similar line up like this time around.
Abrar never wins them that game & that win was literally in 2.5 days due to rain.

Both abrar and sajid are **** spinners only difference is abrar is young and has some potential

 

[Sunil1z]

 

[govinda indian fan]

Shan opens Ayub dropped. Shan is a natural opener.

Dont think pak management will drop ayub. Does that mean babar bats at 3 he will start crying

 

[Apex Predator]

Dont think pak management will drop ayub. Does that mean babar bats at 3 he will start crying

Babar doesn't looks like in any position to negotiate.
There are reports that Shan might be replaced mid way through the series.
Ayub is easily droppable & the shot he played in second inns is perfect catalyst. Kamran Ghulam will come it is inevitable at this point.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

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This is why England were tactically dropping catches in the last wicket partnership when Pakistan were on around ~550 runs.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Strokes could be really destory whether morale left in Pakistan if he comes in top 3 but who does he replace? Pope?

In a normal team, you’d think Pope would be the most vulnerable as his form is…inconsistent, but I don’t think he will lose his place, I think we’ll see Pope and then Stokes wait until he can bowl. Be handy if he can bowl in the second Test with the tight turnaround and with Stone unlikely to be around, it potentially leaves only Potts available to slot in for someone

 

[Sunil1z]

This is why England were tactically dropping catches in the last wicket partnership when Pakistan were on around ~550 runs.

So 556 is now the new Nelson score .

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

So 556 is now the new Nelson score .

@ashley bach

 

[govinda indian fan]

In a normal team, you’d think Pope would be the most vulnerable as his form is…inconsistent, but I don’t think he will lose his place, I think we’ll see Pope and then Stokes wait until he can bowl. Be handy if he can bowl in the second Test with the tight turnaround and with Stone unlikely to be around, it potentially leaves only Potts available to slot in for someone

Ideally potts should come for woakes potts did well for england lions vs india a in india.should do well in pak but think baz will have think twice about droping woakes after that ball to abdullah

 

[slowfinger]

Yeah but not at this level. They would alternate between periods of military dictatorship with a decent economy and periods of haphazard democracy with a poor economy. Now the economy's completely stalled, the military is vastly unpopular, secessionist movements are springing up.

Plus cricket has become more professional and the rest of the world has moved on.

world sport has become more professional. not just cricket

 

[govinda indian fan]

Babar doesn't looks like in any position to negotiate.
There are reports that Shan might be replaced mid way through the series.
Ayub is easily droppable & the shot he played in second inns is perfect catalyst. Kamran Ghulam will come it is inevitable at this point.

Shan would only be replaced after series is over if they do it in middle it would further demoralise team but knowing pcb clowns anything is possible and yes ayub doesn't look like test class batsmen

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Those guys are still coming through - Shaheen, Babar, Hasan Ali, Nasir Jamshed, Kamran Akmal, Yasir Shah etc etc all had good starts. But they no longer are able to kick on and have decade long careers.

In the modern age of analytics and match ups if you aren't constantly upskilling, your every weakness will be found out and preyed upon. Back in the day when cricket was less professional and had to do with natural talent, Pak could get by.

But in this professional age of workout regimens, data etc etc only teams with the proepr infrastructure can succeed. It's no coincidence that the best three teams in all formats are the big 3.

Pak cricketers come in, have 2-3 good years - get injured and then come back a shadow of themselves.

India also had that issue back in the day with guys like Irfan, RP, Munaf etc. Thankfully the infrastructure has improved a lot so that guys like Bumrah, Kuldeep etc can come back from injuries/wilderness.

Shaheen is particularly disappointing, mainly because it feels avoidable, fast bowlers are precious commodities, you need to protect them, and he’s never really recovered from that injury he got rushed back from

 

[govinda indian fan]

@Apex Predator is kamran ghulam such a good batsmen? What are his fc stats?

 

[Arachnodouche]

Masood scathing in criticism of bowlers but not batters after Multan humiliation

"They took 20 wickets on this pitch, so you can't say it's impossible to take 20 wickets on this pitch," Pakistan captain says

www.espncricinfo.com

Some circuitous, self-serving logic here lol. So your batsmen get bowled out twice on a featherbed but it's only the bowlers that come in for stick? That's not a 82-6 pitch any way you cut it. You don't get to put your collective batting hands up just because your bowlers failed to exploit "scoreboard pressure". Not sure such a thing even exists on wickets like these. This match by rights should've been the most boring draw ever with your batsmen swatting flies on their way to 300-2.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Masood scathing in criticism of bowlers but not batters after Multan humiliation

"They took 20 wickets on this pitch, so you can't say it's impossible to take 20 wickets on this pitch," Pakistan captain says

www.espncricinfo.com

Some circuitous, self-serving logic here lol. So your batsmen get bowled out twice on a featherbed but it's only the bowlers that come in for stick? That's not a 82-6 pitch any way you cut it. You don't get to put your collective batting hands up just because your bowlers failed to exploit "scoreboard pressure". Not sure such a thing even exists on wickets like these. This match by rights should've been the most boring draw ever with your batsmen swatting flies on their way to 300-2.

Maybe he doesn't want destory whetever little morale left in batters

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Ideally potts should come for woakes potts did well for england lions vs india a in india.should do well in pak but think baz will have think twice about droping woakes after that ball to abdullah

Woakes is a stronger batter than Potts, although I guess Carse could bat at 7

 

[govinda indian fan]

Woakes is a stronger batter than Potts, although I guess Carse could bat at 7

Yes but potts would get more out of these dead wickets then woakes

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Masood scathing in criticism of bowlers but not batters after Multan humiliation

"They took 20 wickets on this pitch, so you can't say it's impossible to take 20 wickets on this pitch," Pakistan captain says

www.espncricinfo.com

Some circuitous, self-serving logic here lol. So your batsmen get bowled out twice on a featherbed but it's only the bowlers that come in for stick? That's not a 82-6 pitch any way you cut it. You don't get to put your collective batting hands up just because your bowlers failed to exploit "scoreboard pressure". Not sure such a thing even exists on wickets like these. This match by rights should've been the most boring draw ever with your batsmen swatting flies on their way to 300-2.

Scoreboard pressure is a thing, but honestly, when Pakistan came to bat for their second innings, were England favourites for the win? Lasting 4 and a bit sessions on that wicket shouldn’t be too onerous, the lower middle order showed them how to do it

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Yes but potts would get more out of these dead wickets then woakes

That’s no guarantee at all, although with a quick turnaround, ideally someone should make way, and that someone may well be Woakes