Denis Compton vs Kane Williamson

[PlayerComparisons]

Eh that's not really true, his first tours to SA and Aus were great which can't be said for any of Mahela's away tours, his numbers are really ****ed by the horror tour in 1950 where he averaged 7.5, I'm trying to figure out if he just was that terribe or had some knee problem that tour, it's said that horror tour was a resultant of a terrible knee problem from his football days resurfacing but I'm trying to find the original source for it.

The guy averaged like 33 away from home with 4 hundreds. Basically the Philander of batting.

 

[Johan]

I think the majority of people outside of this forum will likely still rate Williamson higher since he’ll probably end up with 10k runs @ 50. On this forum it might be Crowe who’s rated higher tho.

Also I think you underrate Sehwag

That's the most probable outcome, Crowe's work in Aus and Pak (against ATGs) vs Kane's sheer output might be an interesting conversation though.

Hmmm Maybe, I guess I do focus more on his negatives than positives.

The guy averaged like 33 away from home with 4 hundreds. Basically the Philander of batting.

*37, but What I was saying was that it's pretty weird, his Australia record for example, he did great in 1947, he was fine in 1954 but somehow averaged 7.5 in the 1950 series which is extreme outlier from the other two tours, which is weird to me because I read at certain places that he had a recurring knee problem that led to the 1950 disaster, if that's true, then that explains his away record imo.

his SA record is also kinda out of context, he had a 50+ averaging tour in 49-50 which was his first tour of South Africa but then averaged 24 in the next series.......which was the final series of his career and he was 38-39 by that point, and the series was seriously low scoring so it makes sense why a Batsmen on the brink of retirement failed.

the 1950 Aus series is the one I'd like if someone confirms or debunks the knee injury thing. That leaves a HUGE mark on his away stats

 

[PlayerComparisons]

That's the most probable outcome, Crowe's work in Aus and Pak (against ATGs) vs Kane's sheer output might be an interesting conversation though.

I’d say KW’s first two great series at home against SA, his great series in Aus, and WTC final performance match up well to those. The only series Crowe probably has over him is the series against WI at home.

 

[Days of Grace]

Let’s not forget that Williamson has faced a better Australian attack over his career than Crowe did. The 1985/86 and 1986/87 seasons were the nadir of Australian bowling.

 

[Coronis]

In his era, Compton would have ranked in the Top 3 batsmen of the time. Can the same be said about Williamson?

Lets also not forget this is a poor way to compare players from differenf eras.

 

[peterhrt]

*37, but What I was saying was that it's pretty weird, his Australia record for example, he did great in 1947, he was fine in 1954 but somehow averaged 7.5 in the 1950 series which is extreme outlier from the other two tours, which is weird to me because I read at certain places that he had a recurring knee problem that led to the 1950 disaster, if that's true, then that explains his away record imo.

his SA record is also kinda out of context, he had a 50+ averaging tour in 49-50 which was his first tour of South Africa but then averaged 24 in the next series.......which was the final series of his career and he was 38-39 by that point, and the series was seriously low scoring so it makes sense why a Batsmen on the brink of retirement failed.

the 1950 Aus series is the one I'd like if someone confirms or debunks the knee injury thing. That leaves a HUGE mark on his away stats

The origin of Compton's knee injury was pre-war when he collided with an opposing goalkeeper while playing for Arsenal. The injury became chronic in 1949 after he had turned thirty and thereafter affected his batting to varying degrees. Up to that point he was averaging 61 in Tests (50 away) and had scored four hundreds against Lindwall and Miller when nobody else had managed more than two. His first-class average was 60.99 with 74 centuries, including ten matches in India at the end of the war when he scored over 1300 runs.

There was a genius about Compton's batting at this time, which is where the high reputation came from, combining a keen eye, very quick footwork and audacious innovation. On one occasion he advanced yards down the pitch, slipped and fell on his back then, with the keeper anticipating an easy stumping, late cut the ball for four. Without the quick footwork, he could no longer dictate to the same extent and became more defensive and inconsistent. Compton still thought his best innings was 53 on a difficult Oval pitch in 1954 when Fazal bowled Pakistan to victory. It was top score of the match. By the time of his final tour to South Africa his kneecap had been removed.

In Australia 1950-51 he scored plenty of runs outside the Tests but hardly any during them. A fondness for the night life didn't help. Compton at his best (meaning the 1940s) was long considered one of England's greatest half-dozen batsmen. His only real weakness then was running between the wickets.

 

[Shri]

He was so cool ..

Fought in the war , modeled for Bylcreem ,FA cup winner with Arsenal, played Ranji Trophy cricket, a 100 FC hundreds , bowled left arm Wristspin..

Dude should have a movie written about him ! View attachment 41838

If he was so cool why is he surrounded by 5/10s

 

[Johan]

The origin of Compton's knee injury was pre-war when he collided with an opposing goalkeeper while playing for Arsenal. The injury became chronic in 1949 after he had turned thirty and thereafter affected his batting to varying degrees. Up to that point he was averaging 61 in Tests (50 away) and had scored four hundreds against Lindwall and Miller when nobody else had managed more than two. His first-class average was 60.99 with 74 centuries, including ten matches in India at the end of the war when he scored over 1300 runs.

There was a genius about Compton's batting at this time, which is where the high reputation came from, combining a keen eye, very quick footwork and audacious innovation. On one occasion he advanced yards down the pitch, slipped and fell on his back then, with the keeper anticipating an easy stumping, late cut the ball for four. Without the quick footwork, he could no longer dictate to the same extent and became more defensive and inconsistent. Compton still thought his best innings was 53 on a difficult Oval pitch in 1954 when Fazal bowled Pakistan to victory. It was top score of the match. By the time of his final tour to South Africa his kneecap had been removed.

In Australia 1950-51 he scored plenty of runs outside the Tests but hardly any during them. A fondness for the night life didn't help. Compton at his best (meaning the 1940s) was long considered one of England's greatest half-dozen batsmen. His only real weakness then was running between the wickets.

Looks like I was right about the knee injury being a big part of why he did so poorly in that 50-53 timeframe where he had that horror tour of Australia that messes up his away stats, he had a batting average of 30 odd in 1950-1953, I guess the chronic injury was a big part of it and he somewhat adapted to the injury by 54? (averaging 56.9 from 54 to 56).

if My assumption is close to reality, that really does excuse/explain his away record.

His away tours –

1947 Australian Ashes – 459 runs at 51 avg (Great)
1948 South Africa tour – 406 runs at 50.75 (Great)
1950-1951 Australian Ashes – 53 runs at 7.57 (atrocious) [maybe the result of Injury]
1950-51 New Zealand Tour – 107 runs at 35.57 (Fine)
1953-54 West Indies Tour – 348 runs at 49.71 runs (Great)
1954-55 Australian Ashes – 191 runs at 38.2 (Fine)
1956-57 South African Tour – 242 runs at 24.2 (Bad)

the tours that really **** his stats away are his final tour of his career at 39 and the 1950 Australian one, I'm honestly starting to doubt if he was even a big HTB honestly.

 

[Silver Silva]

If he was so cool why is he surrounded by 5/10s

4 × 5 = 20 , it's a match winning knock!

 

[shortpitched713]

4 × 5 = 20 , it's a match winning knock!

Grass on the wicket, any hole a goal, banter, etc.