All-Time South Africa XIs - A re-run

[Fuller Pilch]

Should RTD be eligible??

I thought that this XI was for players unable to play for SA due to the apartheid ban, or due to apartheid in Roro's case.

Imo, RTD although a fine player, is a post readmission Saffa who did superbly playing in English county cricket and for an associate side. By that logic we could pick someone like David Wiese.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Should RTD be eligible??

I thought that this XI was for players unable to play for SA due to the apartheid ban, or due to apartheid in Roro's case.

Imo, RTD although a fine player, is a post readmission Saffa who did superbly playing in English county cricket and for an associate side. By that logic we could pick someone like David Wiese.

I mean, David Wiese is definitely eligible. As is Nic Pothas actually. Or Andrew Puttick and Dale Benkenstein. The focus is definitely on the apartheid ban, but players born in South Africa/turned South African citizens; to never have played Test cricket is the criteria. Sorry, if I didn't clarified enough.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kevin McKenzie - 3
Ryan ten Doescharte - 3
Mandy Yachad - 1
Dale Benkenstein - 1

Rupert Hanley - 3
Denys Hobson - 1

Clive Rice - 3

 

[capt_Luffy]

South Africa XI	South Africa A	South Africa B	South Africa C
1. BA Richards	1. B Mitchell	1. EJ Barlow*	1. DJ McGlew
2. GC Smith*	2. TL Goddard*	2. HH Gibbs	2. KC Wessels*
3. JH Kallis	3. G Kirsten	3. EAB Rowan	3. PN Kirsten
4. RG Pollock	4. HM Amla	4. DJ Cullinan	4. F du Plessis
5. AD Nourse	5. HW Taylor	5. KC Bland	5. BL Irvine
6. GA Faulkner	6. AB de Villiers	6. Q de Kock+	6. AW Nourse
7. JHB Waite+	7. DT Lindsay+	7. BM McMillan	7. HB Cameron+
8. SM Pollock	8. MJ Procter	8. AEE Vogler	8. RO Schwarz
9. HJ Tayfield	9. KA Maharaj	9. VD Philander	9. PS Heine
10. DW Steyn	10. NAT Adcock	10.PM Pollock	10. PS de Villiers
11. AA Donald	11. K Rabada	11.M Morkel	11. M Ntini
South Africa D	South Africa E	South Africa F	South Africa No Test XI
1. SJ Cook	1. A Melville	1. PGV van der Bijl*	1. HR Fotheringham
2. D Elgar	2. ND McKenzie	2. AC Hudson	2. F Roro
3. JA Rudolph	3. RH Catterall	3. AK Markram	3. KS McEwan
4. WJ Cronje*	4. T Bavuma*	4. GC White	4. KA McKenzie
5. AG Prince	5. JN Rhodes	5. WR Endean	5. RN ten Doescharte
6. L Klusener	6. JP Duminy	6. HR Lance	6. CEB Rice*
7. MV Boucher+	7. DJ Richardson+	7. WW Wade+	7. AJ Kourie
8. JH Sinclair	8. M Jansen	8. SR Harmer	8. RV Jennings+
9. CL Vincent	9. CE Llewellyn	9. A Nel	9. GS Le Roux
10. AA Nortje	10. KJ Abbott	10. D Olivier	10. VAP van der Bijl
11. BN Schultz	11. AE Hall	11. LT Ngidi	11. RW Hanley

 

[capt_Luffy]

South Africa XI	South Africa A	South Africa B	South Africa C
1. Barry Richards	1. Bruce Mitchell	1. Eddie Barlow*	1. Jackie McGlew
2. Graeme Smith*	2. Trevor Goddard*	2. Herschel Gibbs	2. Kepler Wessels*
3. Jacques Kallis	3. Garry Kirsten	3. Eric Rowan	3. Peter Kirsten
4. Graeme Pollock	4. Hashim Amla	4. Darryl Cullinan	4. Faf du Plessis
5. Dudley Nourse	5. Herbie Taylor	5. Colin Bland	5. Lee Irvine
6. Aubrey Faulkner	6. A B de Villiers	6. Quinton de Kock+	6. Dave Nourse
7. John Waite+	7. Denis Lindsay+	7. Brian McMillan	7. Jock Cameron+
8. Shaun Pollock	8. Mike Procter	8. Bert Vogler	8. Reggie Schwarz
9. Hugh Tayfield	9. Keshav Maharaj	9. Vernon Philander	9. Peter Heine
10. Dale Steyn	10. Kagiso Rabada	10. Peter Pollock	10. Fanie de Villiers
11. Allan Donald	11. Neil Adcock	11. Morne Morkel	11. Makhaya Ntini
South Africa D	South Africa E	South Africa F	South Africa No Test XI
1. Jimmy Cook	1. Neil McKenzie	1. Pieter van der Bijl*	1. Henry Fotheringham
2. Dean Elgar	2. Alan Melville*	2. Andrew Hudson	2. Frank Roro
3. Jacques Rudolph	3. Bob Catterall	3. Aidan Markram	3. Ken McEwan
4. Ashwell Prince	4. Temba Bavuma*	4. Gordon White	4. Kevin McKenzie
5. Hancie Cronje*	5. Jonty Rhodes	5. Russell Endean	5. Ryan ten Doescharte
6. Lance Klusener	6. J P Duminy	6. Tiger Lance	6. Clive Rice*
7. Mark Boucher+	7. Dave Richardson+	7. Billy Wade+	7. Alan Kourie
8. Jimmy Sinclair	8. Marco Jansen	8. Simon Harmer	8. Ray Jennings+
9. Cyril Vincent	9. Charles Llewellyn	9. Andre Nel	9. Garth Le Roux
10. Brett Schultz	10. Kyle Abbott	10. Duanne Olivier	10. Vincent van der Bijl
11. Anrich Nortje	11. Alf Hall	11. Lungi Ngidi	11. Rupert Hanley

 

[capt_Luffy]

Thanks folks, to everyone who voted and followed the thread. I think this 7 South African Test teams and the 1 non-Test playing team turned out pretty well for the most part. Next team is India. I think all of us are a little burnt out now. So, will start in 3-4 days.

 

[Northerner]

The non test 11 I would rank number 4,

 

[capt_Luffy]

The non test 11 I would rank number 4,

Certainly makes up for the relatively weaker batting by an extremely great bowling. Bijl, Roux, Hanley, Rice and Kourie is absolute Top tier.

 

[Bolo.]

Hard to say. The specialist bats are very weak (other than Roro, who is kinda impossible to judge). But that's serious depth in batting and bowling, and some really good bowlers. Might be stronger than the B team. Or not.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hard to say. The specialist bats are very weak (other than Roro, who is kinda impossible to judge). But that's serious depth in batting and bowling, and some really good bowlers. Might be stronger than the B team. Or not.

B Team is a stretch imo. As you said, the batting just isn't there. Except Roro (whom we can't completely judge) and McEwan (arguable), the B team batting is leagues above. The bowling of No Test XI is better, but doubt the distance is huge really.

 

[Bolo.]

B Team is a stretch imo. As you said, the batting just isn't there. Except Roro (whom we can't completely judge) and McEwan (arguable), the B team batting is leagues above. The bowling of No Test XI is better, but doubt the distance is huge really.

There's some serious bat deep in the no test, although that applies to the B team too.

I think the no test is a fair distance ahead on bowling. Rice is ridiculously good by 5th bowler standards, and ten Doescharte is a freebee. I regard the spinners as a bit of a wash, being hard to estimate. Not so confident about Le Roux and Hanley, but Morkel and Philander weren't that good. And VD Bijl is a huge factor. He's way ahead of Pollock.

 

[capt_Luffy]

There's some serious bat deep in the no test, although that applies to the B team too.

I think the no test is a fair distance ahead on bowling. Rice is ridiculously good by 5th bowler standards, and ten Doescharte is a freebee. I regard the spinners as a bit of a wash, being hard to estimate. Not so confident about Le Roux and Hanley, but Morkel and Philander weren't that good. And VD Bijl is a huge factor. He's way ahead of Pollock.

I don't think so. I think Philander was an excellent bowler, though not as adaptive in for different conditions. Definitely ahead of Hanley, probably Le Roux too. Agreed that Bijl is quite a big advantage, arguably being as good as an ATG.

 

[Bolo.]

I don't think so. I think Philander was an excellent bowler, though not as adaptive in for different conditions. Definitely ahead of Hanley, probably Le Roux too. Agreed that Bijl is quite a big advantage, arguably being as good as an ATG.

Fair, but he's not at ATG level for me. They might end up a bit better, or a bit worse. I would take the no tests as a pair above Philader and Morkel, but not a lot in it.

VD Bijl is the one guy I'm sure would have ended up an ATG, and likely a high level one. He's RSAs best domestic bowler ever by a ridiculous margin, and his MO is a cheat code for test success.

 

[Northerner]

Van der Bijl and Le Roux would have taken 100s of test wickets between them , Rice would have had world class all round stats. McEwan and McKenzie would have scored many 100s, playing along side Cook, Richards, Kirsten etc, they would have been a formidable team, the rebel tours and world series cricket gave us a glimpse what might have been,