Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
Top 10 is something like:
Woakes
Steyn
Anderson
Bumrah
Cummins
Rabada
Philander
Broad
Woakes
Steyn
Anderson
Bumrah
Cummins
Rabada
Philander
Broad
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Top pace bowlers to debut in 21st century
- Thread starter ankitj
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PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Woakes
Steyn
Cummins
Bumrah
Rabada
Anderson
Hazlewood
Philander/Broad
Steyn
Cummins
Bumrah
Rabada
Anderson
Hazlewood
Philander/Broad
Johan
State Vice-Captain
How is Jimmy below Rabada
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
Rabada is better in SA than Anderson is in ENG. And has a better away record as well although doesn't have quite the longevity. Can go either way, but I have Rabada over Anderson as well
Steyn is #1.
Anderson is 2.
Cummins #3
Bumrah #4
Rabada #5 because his away record vs top opponents is weak. It's a case where his bowling record is similar to KW in batting.
After these #5, we have other names who are conditions specific bowlers.
Broad #6 due to longevity.
Philander #7, terrific record outside Asia and true match winner there.
Johnson #8, he was at his absolute peak in Ashes and South Africa away during his 2013-14 version.
Boult #9, one of the best with new bowl in swinging conditions.
Hazelwood #10, excellent record in Aus, Eng, NZ but not convinced of his bowling prowess in Asia even though he does have a 6-fer in India.
Anderson is 2.
Cummins #3
Bumrah #4
Rabada #5 because his away record vs top opponents is weak. It's a case where his bowling record is similar to KW in batting.
After these #5, we have other names who are conditions specific bowlers.
Broad #6 due to longevity.
Philander #7, terrific record outside Asia and true match winner there.
Johnson #8, he was at his absolute peak in Ashes and South Africa away during his 2013-14 version.
Boult #9, one of the best with new bowl in swinging conditions.
Hazelwood #10, excellent record in Aus, Eng, NZ but not convinced of his bowling prowess in Asia even though he does have a 6-fer in India.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
Rabada debuted in 2015 and since then
Rabada has 299 wickets in 64 matches with a 22.03 average, Home: 19.07, Away/Neutral: 26.90, Asia: 35.63
in the same timeframe, Anderson has 324 wickets in 89 matches with a 22.63 average, Home: 21.78, Away/Neutral: 23.80, Asia: 23.56
so it's not like Rabada has outbowled Jimmy, and you compare their effectiveness in Asia and you'd see.
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Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
What about before then? You are comparing Anderson's peak with Rabada's entire career. Anderson was very poor for about 10 years.
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
Like I said you could go pretty much either way, I prefer Rabada because he is more of a wicket taker. He has the best SR in cricket history, (although it is aided by friendly home conditions). Putting either over the other, isn't a wild take imo
BazBall21
International Captain
Anderson took over 500 @ 23 from 2010 to 2023. That's a very conventional career length and currently longer than Rabada's career.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
to the contrary, This also includes Anderson's decline and retirement phase of 2023 and 24 where he averaged 34, which is the sole reason Rabada got the average advantage.
and Yeah Anderson as a young pacer was not good but when you sustain this quality for 140 matches and 14 years I'm fine with forgiving a bad start, especially against a guy like Rabada who bowled his entire career alongside Jimmy and still got outbowled pretty decisively.
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
How did he get outbowled exactly? I don't think either of them had outbowled the other
Some might feel that I have Hazelwood low down at 10. But the reason for it is that he has been lucky to get rested more in matches in Asia compared to Starc or Cummins.
Hazelwood has played 70 tests and only 9 are in Asia.
Starc has played 89 tests and 17 are in Asia. Cummins has 11 in Asia out of 60 odd tests.
So, Hazelwood has been a bit lucky compared to Starc in that regard.
Hazelwood has played 70 tests and only 9 are in Asia.
Starc has played 89 tests and 17 are in Asia. Cummins has 11 in Asia out of 60 odd tests.
So, Hazelwood has been a bit lucky compared to Starc in that regard.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Steyn
Cummins
Bumrah
Rabada
Anderson
Philander
Jamieson
Wagner
Broad
Hazlewood
Harris
Bond
Asif
Johnson
Shami
Southee
Boult
Starc
Morkel
Roach
Others close to top 20:
Clark, Ishant, Zaheer, Harmison, Siddle, Hoggard,
Cummins
Bumrah
Rabada
Anderson
Philander
Jamieson
Wagner
Broad
Hazlewood
Harris
Bond
Asif
Johnson
Shami
Southee
Boult
Starc
Morkel
Roach
Others close to top 20:
Clark, Ishant, Zaheer, Harmison, Siddle, Hoggard,
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
Jamieson in 7th???? Wow
Johan
State Vice-Captain
Asia performance (23 vs 35) and NZ, While Rabada did better in Aus.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Watling and Wagner were better than Boult and Southee.
Wagner bowled with the old ball in unforgiving conditions. He offered so much more and performed when it was needed.