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Rank these batsmen against high quality pace
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Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Mark Waugh should be higher (5th or 6th). He threw a few innings away and never got any daddy 100s (hence the low average) but scored key centuries in big tests away against ATG attacks in the Windies and South Africa
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Yes I meant like he’s one of the bats I’d pick against those bowlers in those conditions
Slifer
International Captain
Gooch faced early Warne and....? In his debut series Gordon played and did well vs Chandra, Prasana etc. And he also did well vs Underwood in England. That's good enough for me.
Migara
International Coach
Greenidge averaged 31.8 against Pakistan and 17 in Pakistan, the side who had the best fast bowlers of the era. Also 30 in Australia who had next best fast bowling attack.
On other hand Crowe averaged 43, 38 and 47 against Pak, WI and Aus. Younis Khan averaged 50.6 in Australia, 33 in SAF, and 50 in England.
You guys are way overrating Greenidge and way underrating Younis
On other hand Crowe averaged 43, 38 and 47 against Pak, WI and Aus. Younis Khan averaged 50.6 in Australia, 33 in SAF, and 50 in England.
You guys are way overrating Greenidge and way underrating Younis
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sayon basak
International Debutant
Greenidge played only 6 matches in Pakistan, of which most of them are in 1990, way past his prime. Also it would be much more helpful if you provide exactly how much of those runs came against pace bowlers.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Younis’s technique against pace was very poor
Migara
International Coach
If the average is low, the number of runs against pace don't matter much. He was cleaned up by Qadir couple of times, Mudasser Nazar once, otherwise it was Imran, Wasim or Waqar.
Migara
International Coach
Yet he possess averages comparable to others.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Sample size.
Just one innings salvaged his record in Aus.
Just one innings salvaged his record in Aus.
Migara
International Coach
Same could be told about Greenidge in NZ against Hadlee and Co.
smash84
The Tiger King
yeah, not sure how Greenidge is supposedly one of the greatest players of high quality pace bowling?
The only thing Greenidge is famous for (and rightly so) was that he would absolutely smash the ball when it was in his arc (off or leg). Few harder hitting batsmen were around in his time, and even later.
The only thing Greenidge is famous for (and rightly so) was that he would absolutely smash the ball when it was in his arc (off or leg). Few harder hitting batsmen were around in his time, and even later.
Migara
International Coach
Even during his days Lloyd and Viv hit them harder, especially Lloyd. Then there was Richardson who bashed short balls. But there were plenty of fast bowlers who used long handle who hit the ball so it goes screaming to the boundary. Don't think any one hit it harder than Klusener or Afridi though. Jayasuriya is there and thereabout.
BazBall21
International Captain
Greenidge was arguably the best player of lateral movement out of all of them.
Record in Australia and to an extent his record v Pakistan at the back end (albeit past his best then so not as big a deal) reduce his level a bit.
There is probably an argument for Clarke/Gower ahead of him in this list. Clarke's record home and away v SA; Gower's better record in Australia, doing well in WI, and having credentials v swing and seam himself. Mark Waugh, as has already been mentioned, is underrated when it comes to ability v quality attacks. He's got some very good performances and sound overall averages against West Indies, South Africa and Pakistan. He just wasn't a persistent run machine which holds him back as an overall player.
I gave Gordon big points for his record in England and New Zealand as an opener; if you built the best versions of quintessential English and New Zealand attacks; there aren't many men you'd want in your corner before Greenidge. But it seems relentless hit the deck attacks could get the better of him. It's pretty close between a lot of them.
Record in Australia and to an extent his record v Pakistan at the back end (albeit past his best then so not as big a deal) reduce his level a bit.
There is probably an argument for Clarke/Gower ahead of him in this list. Clarke's record home and away v SA; Gower's better record in Australia, doing well in WI, and having credentials v swing and seam himself. Mark Waugh, as has already been mentioned, is underrated when it comes to ability v quality attacks. He's got some very good performances and sound overall averages against West Indies, South Africa and Pakistan. He just wasn't a persistent run machine which holds him back as an overall player.
I gave Gordon big points for his record in England and New Zealand as an opener; if you built the best versions of quintessential English and New Zealand attacks; there aren't many men you'd want in your corner before Greenidge. But it seems relentless hit the deck attacks could get the better of him. It's pretty close between a lot of them.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
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Crowe averaged 57 v Pakistan, 45 v WI, and 48 v Australia
You must've looked at his strike rates rather than averages.
Migara
International Coach
I looked for away matches. Crowe must have been used to NZ and EnGlish conditions which are similar. His alien conditions were Aus, Pakistan and WI.
BazBall21
International Captain
He was unfortunate to only tour WI when he was very young but can't completely assume he would succeed. Gower's match-saving hundred in Jamaica v Holding, Garner and Croft in their primes is one of his best. Did alright in his second tour too after the 1984 horror show.
BazBall21
International Captain
Younis was excellent at going big on flat pitches. OP specifically says pace-friendly conditions. On seaming and bouncy tracks, I wouldn't fancy him as much as everyone else mentioned in the sample.