Andy Flower vs Gordon Greenidge

[sayon basak]

Have Hardly seen Greenidge lose a poll.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Have Hardly seen Greenidge lose a poll.

Greenidge seems to be rated higher than almost every batsmen to average in the 45-49 range

 

[sayon basak]

Greenidge seems to be rated higher than almost every batsmen to average in the 45-49 range

I guess that's justified as he had to face the new ball and averaged 51 runs in 10 years, then experienced a very Greenidgesque downfall.

 

[Majestic]

Greenidge. He played tougher opponents more than Flower, just like how Root played tougher opponents more than Sangakkara.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I guess that's justified as he had to face the new ball and averaged 51 runs in 10 years, then experienced a very Greenidgesque downfall.

That shows why we probably shouldn’t rate players until their careers are over. Average dropped from 51 to 44!

 

[sayon basak]

That shows why we probably shouldn’t rate players until their careers are over. Average dropped from 51 to 44!

Yeah, if we are going only by average.

 

[sayon basak]

Greenidge faced much better bowling attack and his average against varied opponent is quite balanced, unlike flower. Was Flower's wicket keeping good enough to make him a better cricketer than Greenidge?

 

[BazBall21]

Greenidge's work in England and New Zealand is immense. He averaged the same as Flower after the same length of time played with opening tax, and probably facing stronger bowling test by test.

 

[sayon basak]

Wisden Ranks All-Time Best

Here is the list of players Wisden ranked as the all-time best. The rankinds are based on each performance and various different factors. TEST BATSMEN: 1.Sir Donald Bradman (Australia) 2.Sachin Tendulkar (India) 3.Sir Vivian Richards (West Indies) 4.Sir Garfield Sobers (West Indies) 5.Alan...

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DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

No matter how expected it is (when Bradman is involved in a batting stat), it always astonishes me when the gap between #1 and #2 is 100 points more than the gap between #2 and #100. It’s astonishing isn’t it

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CW's Top 50 Test Batsmen. 2022 Results

Firstly, my thanks @gftw for initiating the voting thread and thanks to all who contributed votes and comments. With voting and comments dwindling, it was felt we should stop at a final Top 50. I have added stats to the list as a matter of interest and for discussion points and here is the...

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Surprised to see Flower miles ahead of Greenidge as a batter in the DoG rankings.
In Wisden rankings however, Greenidge is a bit overrated, along with boycs, gooch, Lloyd.
Is there any updated Wisden list?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Flower ranks higher on PEWS rankings too

Cribbage's Standardised Test Averages (UPDATED November 2018 - posts 753-755)

... as I was rather selfishly getting married. Congratulations. Good news.

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[sayon basak]

Flower ranks higher on PEWS rankings too

Cribbage's Standardised Test Averages (UPDATED November 2018 - posts 753-755)

... as I was rather selfishly getting married. Congratulations. Good news.

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Don't think I have seen this one. Steve Smith at 52 alone should be enough to discard the list as a whole.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Don't think I have seen this one. Steve Smith at 52 alone should be enough to discard the list as a whole.

This was at the end of 2018. It’s probably changed quite a bit since then. It does a decent job of adjusting for conditions.

 

[sayon basak]

This was at the end of 2018. It’s probably changed quite a bit since then. It does a decent job of adjusting for conditions.

Fair enough, but also Kohli ahead of Smith. Guess that's because of 2 points difference in longevity.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Fair enough, but also Kohli ahead of Smith. Guess that's because of 2 points difference in longevity.

Kohli has had much tougher home pitches than Smith which could explain that.

I don’t think it cares more about away average than home average which is usually why Smith is rated higher by most people I think.

 

[BazBall21]

I enjoyed reading the standardised averages exercise. Impossible for these things to be a perfect reflection but exceptional work and always fascinating. Looking forward to when Prince EWS has the time to update the Fab 4 etc.

 

[sayon basak]

Kohli has had much tougher home pitches than Smith which could explain that.

I don’t think it cares more about away average than home average which is usually why Smith is rated higher by most people I think.

Good point. Smith's then average of 61 drops down to an adjusted average of 55 for that reason. Away average should be given importance tho.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I feel all of the fab 4 should be at least in the top 40 by now. Hayden being at 93 is funny.

 

[sayon basak]

I feel all of the fab 4 should be at least in the top 40 by now. Hayden being at 93 is funny.

Top 40 still is a bit low imo. Think they wouldn't be deprived of any longevity points to be ranked that low.

 

[Coronis]

fwiw the linked spreadsheet continued to track until cricinfo changed something in statsguru I believe? Or maybe it was before that. That lists Smith with 65 matches (so one extra match, the first of the 2019 Ashes), and puts him at 41st. Where he was really lacking was longevity (the ban didn’t help with that), no doubt his adjusted average will also have fallen since then but his longevity will definitely have risen.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Fair enough, but also Kohli ahead of Smith. Guess that's because of 2 points difference in longevity.

Until 2018, I would say Kohli vs Smith was actually quite debatable and Kohli had more great away series.

Regarding Greenidge vs Flower, I will go Flower, even as a batsman, considering the relative strength of their teams, which is a factor heavily downplayed sometimes. It's vastly different batting for the Greatest Team of All and a team you're the only bat averaging 30+; that too while wicketkeeping.