capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Still averaged around 38 in SA in 5 matches with a century....... You are just being pedantic for the sake of it.
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Joe Root vs Kumar Sangakkara
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Coronis
International Coach
Doesn’t Root fail consistently in one place against the same attack over and over?
kyear2
International Coach
As I said in the other thread, I'm going to review and revise if warranted. Two people mentioned it and I'm not to big to revise my opinions if required.
But I do believe Ponting was better, and so was Kallis, whether it's an entire tier is debatable. But Kallis had way tougher home conditions, not to add that both had time in the 90's where Kallis's entire career was in the 2000's.
Then there's the fact that the table referenced was filtered for when he didn't have the gloves, while Kallis bowled (in varying amounts) throughout his career and Ponting at times had the pressures of captaincy and a way more packed test career.
As I said, I'll look over his career.
kyear2
International Coach
kyear2
International Coach
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
"Casually sweeps Ponting averaging mid 20s in India under the rug"
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Three series. Averaged 27, 47 and 32
The first is an outright failure but his treatment by the England mgmt in that period was nothing short of a joke. No coincidence that when they just let him settle in the middle order the following summer he started to become the Joe Root we still know and love to this day
47 is not a failure by any stretch, especially on your first tour as skipper with your team getting trounced and the home team ball tampering
32 was disappointing last time out. Its below par rather than out and out failure, in a heavily asterisked series due to Australia running about 18 months behind the rest of the world on lockdown policy
So no. He doesn’t fail in Australia over and over again. Good try tho
kyear2
International Coach
In all seriousness, what do you have against Punter?
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
In all seriousness, nothing. Just hate the wanking he gets by multiple people, so kinda loves to balance things out.
Coronis
International Coach
Coronis
International Coach
Migara: Sanga averaged 65+ as a pure bat
kyear: how, where and against who matters
Migara: proceeds to post the stats showing he was good everywhere, and dominant in a majority of places
kyear: OH BOI IF YOU THINK U WON THIS ARGUMENT U BE TROLLING ME
kyear2
International Coach
kyear2
International Coach
One, isn't Sanga a little too fast scoring for your tastes?
Secondly you think these are somehow fights, when it's an exchange of opinions and perspectives.
Kumar is an ATG batsman, yes he averaged 65 as a pure bat, but when we look at Walcott, Sobers, Kallis etc etc, do we ever use the term as a pure batsman? Walcott gets everything tossed in, and Kallis and exponentially more so Sobers bowled throughout his career, and extensively at that.
When one looks at his overall career, he didn't get a taste of the 90's unlike Ponting and Kallis. Kallis played in much rougher joke conditions, the same home conditions where Sanga struggled the most.
As I've said 3 times now, I will review his career and impact innings and if I believe I'm wrong I'll say so.
You have one if the most idiotic views on the forum which you have absolutely no intention to review, because that's just you.
So really you're in no situation to come after anyone, but you seem to have a particular interest in shadowing each and every one of my posts, so knock yourself out.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I am consistently ranking him where I feel he belongs. Wanking him a tier above Dravid is the real disingenuous thing here really.
Coronis
International Coach
Nah my whole thing is not being biased towards or against strike rates.
I’ve not seen you or anyone speak up re: Walcott and his keeping/non keeping. I personally rate Sanga on his entire career, including his keeping, the same as I do with Walcott. I don’t like to selectively ignore parts of players careers tbh. I rate Walcott highly (above Weekes) due to his successes against Australia and England, despite those being mostly restricted to home matches.
If you want to look at all those players as pure batsmen..
Walcott 29 matches 50 innings 2910 @ 64.66 12 tons 11 fifties (79 home 32 away)
Sanga 86 matches 152 innings 9283 @ 66.78 31 tons 41 fifties (70 home 63 away)
Why would we toss in Sobers and Kallis as “pure batsmen”, they bowled in almost every match they played (Sobers didn’t bowl in 1, Kallis in 10). Those records are practically meaningless, no?
Fun facts (though meaningless probably), when Sanga played against Kallis and Ponting he has a clear lead over Ponting and about equal with Kallis. Interesting considering they usually had superior attacks.
Which view exactly is that?
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Favours Root. But that works against each and every single 2000s batsmen, including Ponting, Kallis and Dravid.
BazBall21
International Captain
Sanga wasn't great in England in 3 of his 4 tours. Probably more noteworthy than his record in WI which is a very low sample.Sanga averages below 40 in three countries - South Africa, India and West Indies.
Root averages below 40 in Australia only. The sample is very low in Bangladesh to be considered.
Away from home in major test nations- Aus, SA, Ind and Eng.
Root averages 42 while Sangakkara 41. It is close but I give it to Sangakkara because he kept wickets in some of these games at start of his career. However, don't forget that the batting conditions has been much tougher for Root than it was for Sangakkara back in his time.
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PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Root will most likely end his career around the same level as like Younis Khan (probably slightly better than Younis)
Comparing him to Sangakkara/Kallis/Ponting especially at this stage of his career is very silly.
Comparing him to Sangakkara/Kallis/Ponting especially at this stage of his career is very silly.
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kyear2
International Coach
But that's my point though, you can't separate them because they (especially Sobers) bowled a hell of a lot, which also would have impacted their batting. So why are we separating Sanga's?
Yes they had superior attacks, but at least half if not more of those matches were in SL where these attacks were blunted and he had Murali.
And yes dude, you aren't just a proponent of those who batted slowly, you're very much anti, and biased against quicker scorers.
There are more people on this forum that tank Viv top 3 all time than those who rate him 15th, and there's no justification for such a rating otherwise.