Joe Root vs Kumar Sangakkara

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Sanga fairly easily. Outside of Smith, no one from this generation is as good as Sanga.

 

[Victor Ian]

Because they are actually seperable because he didn’t keep for the majority of his career..

And so the other half were in pace friendly countries where the other teams had the advantage…

No, I just don’t give players extra points for a high strike rate nor take away points for a low one. I believe both are valuable to a team. It may seem as though I’m biased because there are some who inherently believe more aggressive bats are better and thus rate them accordingly.

Because of this, I don’t rate Viv as highly as others. I rate him based on his overall record, longevity and peak, his strike rate doesn’t come into it. I have no bias against him. He was before my time sadly and I never adjusted my ideas of rating players based on a single player.

I don't rate by strike rate much. More by aura of inevitability. Viv and Ricky had it because of strike rate. Smith had it in a different way. Slow is fine if it drains all the life out of an opposition.

 

[Victor Ian]

Sanga fairly easily. Outside of Smith, no one from this generation is as good as Sanga.

Sanga has fine figures indeed. But I always felt like he was the luckiest player ever, not in terms of chances, but in terms of situations. Would get to play when players are off their game, or absent or when teams are going through a trough. Lots and lots of wanker runs that often failed to get a win.

 

[Johan]

Guess I just have Sangakkara lower than most, pretty sure their numbers aren't even far apart if you remove minnow bashing.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I think Sanga’s average being so high without keeping is largely just down to him being in his prime tbh

Don't think so.

2000-04
13 matches 68 avg as pure bat
31 matches 42 avg as WKB

2005-08
16 matches 95 avg as pure bat
17 matches 39 avg as WK

 

[sayon basak]

Don't think so.

2000-04
13 matches 68 avg as pure bat
31 matches 42 avg as WKB

2005-08
16 matches 95 avg as pure bat
17 matches 39 avg as WK

This numbers are concerning. I wonder why did his numbers dropped in such manner as a Wicket keeper.

 

[capt_Luffy]

This numbers are concerning. I wonder why did his numbers dropped in such manner as a Wicket keeper.

Would get a better idea really knowing where he scored them. If he kept more away than home, given they needed an extra bat, I think that will explain many things.

 

[Coronis]

Don't think so.

2000-04
13 matches 68 avg as pure bat
31 matches 42 avg as WKB

2005-08
16 matches 95 avg as pure bat
17 matches 39 avg as WK

Would get a better idea really knowing where he scored them. If he kept more away than home, given they needed an extra bat, I think that will explain many things.

Deliberately misleading stats. On the 2005-2008 part, all the keeping games happened at the start of the period, aside from 2 matches in the West Indies when Prassana was injured. i.e his actual peak started after those matches.

If you look at his overall stats before he permanently gave up the gloves..

47 matches 79 innings 3093 @ 41.24 7 tons 11 fifties (1 double in Pakistan)
13 matches 21 innings 1363 @ 68.15 2 tons 11 fifties (both those tons were doubles, 270 in Zimbabwe and 232 vs SA at home)

At this point of his career he had only scored tons at home in Pakistan and Zimbabwe.

Its still a big difference in stats but its a small sample size relatively.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

WK Sanga vs Pure Bat Sanga

2000 - avg 17 vs 46
2001 - 56 vs 51
2002 - 49 vs 75
2003 - 33 vs 49
2004 - 27 vs 85
2006 - 49 vs 122
2008 - 12 vs 46

 

[Migara]

I assume you just meant average and not rating / ranking.

Walcott, Weekes, Barrington and even Smith now have absurdly high averages and none of whom (Smith aside) are seen even in the top two tiers after Bradman

Rating / Ranking depends on the averages. Sanga is at #8 at all time highest ratings. Averaging 62 over the whole career would take him right up to #2 easily albeit a sizebale gap with Bradman. However that was not the argument.

 

[Migara]

Don't think so.

2000-04
13 matches 68 avg as pure bat
31 matches 42 avg as WKB

2005-08
16 matches 95 avg as pure bat
17 matches 39 avg as WK

If this numbers are correct it shows Sanga would easily average 60+ if he only did batting.

 

[Migara]

Would get a better idea really knowing where he scored them. If he kept more away than home, given they needed an extra bat, I think that will explain many things.

That was not the case however. When he kept in first 1/3 of his career, he was the no 1 keeper. Then it was PJ.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

If this numbers are correct it shows Sanga would easily average 60+ if he only did batting.

Most probably.