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Stokes injured in the Hundred. Who steps up to be England captain ?

mackembhoy

International Regular
What's Bashir done to get dropped?
Nothing but we can't go in with a 4 man attack, when Wood/Atkinson are both crocks.

Root as least offers spin as the fifth bowler and there isn't any other all rounders were going to pick from the CC.

I really hope we don't drop Bashir and just play one less batsman. With Woakes as the number 7.
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Yeah I reckon moving Smith up to 6 and playing Woakes at 7 is most likely solution. The extra bowler you'd hope could hold a bat in that scenario.

I feel that if Leach was still our spinner he'd get dropped for an attack of 4 quicks plus Root, but with Bashir being a long term project I reckon they'll be less keen to cut him out. Maybe only if the pitches look very green.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Nothing but we can't go in with a 4 man attack, when Wood/Atkinson are both crocks.

Root as least offers spin as the fifth bowler and there isn't any other all rounders were going to pick from the CC.

I really hope we don't drop Bashir and just play one less batsman. With Woakes as the number 7.
Not exactly the CC, but it's fair to say Sam Curran is in decent nick at the mo. Could bat 7 and offer as many overs as Stokes does.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Scandalously insufficient consideration here of SCurran coming in as the replacement all-rounder, off the back of his exploits in The Hundred.

EDIT
Beaten to it by Molehill. Great minds etc.
I don't mind which of Curran and Woakes would bat at 7, with the other at 8.
But Curran should be able to send down enough overs for Wood and Atko not to be over-used.
 

reyrey

U19 Captain
Would be harsh on Bashir, but dropping him and bringing in Hartley would give the tail more strength and allow for Woakes plus 3 other pace options. Also Root and Lawrence both offer part-time right arm off spin, so would Bashir really be missed?
 

mackembhoy

International Regular
Not exactly the CC, but it's fair to say Sam Curran is in decent nick at the mo. Could bat 7 and offer as many overs as Stokes does.
Scandalously insufficient consideration here of SCurran coming in as the replacement all-rounder, off the back of his exploits in The Hundred.

EDIT
Beaten to it by Molehill. Great minds etc.
I don't mind which of Curran and Woakes would bat at 7, with the other at 8.
But Curran should be able to send down enough overs for Wood and Atko not to be over-used.
As I don't watch I didn't even know he was fit

Well then Curran is surely the no brainer option to callup if Stokes isn't fit.
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Scandalously insufficient consideration here of SCurran coming in as the replacement all-rounder, off the back of his exploits in The Hundred.

EDIT
Beaten to it by Molehill. Great minds etc.
I don't mind which of Curran and Woakes would bat at 7, with the other at 8.
But Curran should be able to send down enough overs for Wood and Atko not to be over-used.
SCurran recall was actually my reflex reaction, posted in the Sri Lanka tour thread. Does he even play red ball cricket these days though? (Genuine question!) But I can't think of another allrounder they might turn to if they want to get close to a like-for-like replacement for Stokes.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
SCurran recall was actually my reflex reaction, posted in the Sri Lanka tour thread. Does he even play red ball cricket these days though? (Genuine question!) But I can't think of another allrounder they might turn to if they want to get close to a like-for-like replacement for Stokes.
Very, very rarely. Unlike his older brother, I don't think he's formally retired from the red-ball game. But he hasn't played in the CC this year and only played a couple of games (if that) last season.
 

LangleyburyCCPlayer

State 12th Man
Would be harsh on Bashir, but dropping him and bringing in Hartley would give the tail more strength and allow for Woakes plus 3 other pace options. Also Root and Lawrence both offer part-time right arm off spin, so would Bashir really be missed?
I get the idea, but is there any major issue with Wood at #8? Not as if he’s terrible with the bat
 

ImpatientLime

International Regular
time for Ryan Higgins to receive his long awaited call up.

admittedly div 2 but been on fire this year and put up stellar numbers for a while now.

908 runs at 82 inc 4 100s
24 wickets at 27
 

reyrey

U19 Captain
I get the idea, but is there any major issue with Wood at #8? Not as if he’s terrible with the bat
Nah, not an issue for me, although Atkinson would probably bat ahead of Wood then Stone/Potts. It's not the worst tail even with Bashir. I just want England to go in with a 5 man attack. Hartley instead of Bashir would make that more feasible.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Very, very rarely. Unlike his older brother, I don't think he's formally retired from the red-ball game. But he hasn't played in the CC this year and only played a couple of games (if that) last season.
I think that's more down to availability though. He had such a good T20 World Cup in Aus that he then got signed up for the IPL, throw in the T20 World Cup in WI this year and he's basically not been around when the CC is on.

In 2022 he got his maiden FC ton and he's clearly seeing it like a football at the mo. I know it's only the Hundred, but he's currently top scorer for the Invincibles and only Zampa has taken 1 more wicket than him. If you want a like for like replacement, he's the nearest thing to it (although would surely bat below Smith). Means you can keep Bashir (which we obviously will anyway).
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I think that's more down to availability though. He had such a good T20 World Cup in Aus that he then got signed up for the IPL, throw in the T20 World Cup in WI this year and he's basically not been around when the CC is on.

In 2022 he got his maiden FC ton and he's clearly seeing it like a football at the mo. I know it's only the Hundred, but he's currently top scorer for the Invincibles and only Zampa has taken 1 more wicket than him. If you want a like for like replacement, he's the nearest thing to it (although would surely bat below Smith). Means you can keep Bashir (which we obviously will anyway).
Yes, I completely agree with all of that. I'd pick him, even though my Surrey bias comes into that.
 

LangleyburyCCPlayer

State 12th Man
Nah, not an issue for me, although Atkinson would probably bat ahead of Wood then Stone/Potts. It's not the worst tail even with Bashir. I just want England to go in with a 5 man attack. Hartley instead of Bashir would make that more feasible.
Could happen, but personally I doubt there’ll be many changes to the team, think it’ll be Lawrence Duckett Pope Root Brook Smith Woakes Atkinson Wood (with Stone playing a Test as he’s rested) Potts Bashir
 

CartyDurham

International Captain
Don’t see SCurran coming back at this stage . He’s a very good player but I just feel the England selectors are looking elsewhere

I think Potts will come in with maybe another batsman depending on the old Trafford pitch which has pace but will spin if the game goes long
 

reyrey

U19 Captain
Currans bowling just lacked that cutting edge needed for Test cricket. They had hoped he might develop a faster bouncer and become a Chaminda Vaas type of bowler, but that wasn't happening. He's batting was more like a number 8ish than 6 or 7 too. No point going back to him really.
 

kevinw

State Captain
I think Curran at seven makes the most sense. Woakes could bat seven but Atkinson at eight is far too long a tail. Leaving out Bashir and asking Lawrence and Root to bowl is another option. I can't see them only selecting four bowlers. So this seems the logical option.
 

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