Ravichandran Ashwin vs Clarrie Grimmett

[PlayerComparisons]

 

[Coronis]

Hmm, the whole discussion was triggered by him saying Grimmett was "easily" better.

A guy like O'Reilly is easily better, yes. Claiming it for Grimmett is very dubious and makes it feel like clear flaws are being swept aside.

Oh well yeah I don’t think any of them are easily better than one another which is why I started that other thread in the first place. There’s definitely a decent gap behind O’Reilly and then a bunch fighting for the fourth best spinner, imo

 

[sayon basak]

Seems to have flighted the ball a lot. Sehwag would like to face him.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Seems to have flighted the ball a lot. Sehwag would like to face him.

With bat smaller than a toothpick. I would like to see that encounter as well. On gluepot even more.

 

[sayon basak]

With bat smaller than a toothpick.

I definitely forgot that.

 

[srbhkshk]

With bat smaller than a toothpick. I would like to see that encounter as well. On gluepot even more.

Surely averaging 24 while bowling to people with bats smaller than toothpicks makes you an absolutely terrible bowler.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Damn, Ashwin had to bowl to roided up athletes swinging around their oversized oak doors.

 

[sayon basak]

Surely averaging 24 while bowling to people with bats smaller than toothpicks makes you an absolutely terrible bowler.

Does it? Wouldn't that make Bill O'Reilly a terrible bowler? Average of 22.6 isn't much better than 24.

 

[srbhkshk]

Does it? Wouldn't that make Bill O'Reilly a terrible bowler? Average of 22.6 isn't much better than 24.

Absolutely will, should average no more than 2 going against toothpick wielding weaklings.

 

[sayon basak]

Absolutely will, should average no more than 2 going against toothpick wielding weaklings.

2 sounds a bit less. We can agree at 5.

 

[srbhkshk]

2 sounds a bit less. We can agree at 5.

fair enough, but only if the toothpicks are above average sized.

 

[sayon basak]

fair enough, but only if the toothpicks are above average sized.

Done deal

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Surely averaging 24 while bowling to people with bats smaller than toothpicks makes you an absolutely terrible bowler.

Not any worse than taking 70 plus percent of your wicket in rank turners. Anyway Sehwag is barely a top 40-50 batsman ever and Grimmett bowled to lot superior players than Sehwag.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

He also doesn't pass the eye test at all. From most footage, seems to be a very slow floaty spinner who doesn't put his body into his action much. Overrated.

"This ball I called my offbreak flipper, it proved to be a very successful ball, being much harder to detect then my ordinary googly because I did not have to drop my left shoulder to bowl it." C.V Grimmett.

"Both Grimmett and Pepper could bowl a bosie by some means other than out of the back of the hand. Clarrie spent years perfecting his offbreak "flicker" (sic) and then schooled Cec Pepper in the skill. Clarrie Grimmett was the greatest slow bowler the world has seen and I doubt we will see his like again." D.G Bradman

 

[Xix2565]

Not any worse than taking 70 plus percent of your wicket in rank turners. Anyway Sehwag is barely a top 40-50 batsman ever and Grimmett bowled to lot superior players.

Ashwin averages 21.15 in home games where the average runs per wicket was 31.26. Remind me again, exactly how much are people supposed to average bowling on rank turners? How many runs should be made on them?

Grimmett in no way comprehensible bowled to more superior players. Requires basic ignorance of general talent improvement over the years and all over the world.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Grimmett's action was almost similar to that of Tich Freeman.

Freeman was more like Grimmett and liked to bowl against the wind. Although Grimmett did use the tailwind sometimes on slower English wickets and also when he bowled his mystery ball.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Grimmett in no way comprehensible bowled to more superior players. Requires basic ignorance of general talent improvement over the years and all over the world.

Better players than Sehwag. There is no doubting in my mind Grimmett would have succeeded against anyone in any era. If you read about Grimmett and his writing regarding spin bowling, you would have no doubt that the guy was a Genius.

“The Newton of Slow Bowling.”


Roland Perry wrote a couple of biographies about Warne. They are ok. Perry had access to Bradman and wrote several "cash-in" books based on that access, including Bradmans all time greatest test team. Perry pestered Bradman right up to his death to drop Grimmett and replace him with Warne which Bradman would never do . Perry gives Bradman a chance to include Warne and drop Grimmett even after Warne is made one of wisdens 5 cricketers of the 20th century but Bradman remained conviced that Grimmett was a better bowler than Warne.

 

[Xix2565]

Better players than Sehwag. There is no doubting in my mind Grimmett would have succeeded against anyone in any era. If you read about Grimmett and his writing regarding spin bowling, you would have no doubt that the guy was a Genius.

“The Newton of Slow Bowling.”


Roland Perry wrote a couple of biographies about Warne. They are ok. Perry had access to Bradman and wrote several "cash-in" books based on that access, including Bradmans all time greatest test team. Perry pestered Bradman right up to his death to drop Grimmett and replace him with Warne which Bradman would never do . Perry gives Bradman a chance to include Warne and drop Grimmett even after Warne is made one of wisdens 5 cricketers of the 20th century but Bradman remained conviced that Grimmett was a better bowler than Warne.

Nothing here is an argument for Grimmett over Ashwin. Peer reviews are notoriously all over the place, and given the actual records of these two players, you can hardly say Grimmett dominated over a better group of players compared to Ashwin. If you decided not to trust basic facts and such that's fine, but you have to tell people that such things aren't important rather than pretend like you're making a case based off reality.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Better players than Sehwag.

If we're talking specifically about batting ability vs spin, imo there were literally 0 players better than Sehwag in Grimmett's era.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

If we're talking specifically about batting ability vs spin, imo there were literally 0 players better than Sehwag in Grimmett's era.

Bradman by far. Grimmett held his own against him.

Hobbs, Hammond, Sutcliffe are at least equal or comparable. All 3 played some ridiculous innings on turners. Hammond on particular was said to be the finest player of slow spin bowling in the world, some said all time. Better than Bradman by some. Headley himself was a damn good player of spin. Those guys are better batsman than Sehwag in general and at least comparable or not that far from Sehwag against Spin.

Guys like Nourse, Leyland and Ponsford were very fine players of spin themself.