Ravichandran Ashwin vs Jim Laker

[capt_Luffy]

Not being as bad away.

By just being as bad away and never being comparatively good..... Isn't not playing enough away the main point you used for Herath vs Jadeja??

 

[ImpatientLime]

i'm just here for the hyperbole. my favourite so far being a man who took 15 wickets in australia at 21, albeit at a slower than usual SR having his performances described as 'the definition of mediocre'.

 

[capt_Luffy]

i'm just here for the hyperbole. my favourite so far being a man who took 15 wickets in australia at 21, albeit at a slower than usual SR having his performances described as 'the definition of mediocre'.

If you want to give him points for that Australia tour, then Jadeja also has the same numbers there......

 

[subshakerz]

Not totally untrue, and wasn't like Laker did much more. He was the definition of mediocre in Australia and the series he played, Benaud took 27 scalps. He was woefully outplayed. You can say he and Jadeja are equal in Australia.

Again, Laker was goodish at worse.

 

[subshakerz]

By just being as bad away and never being comparatively good..... Isn't not playing enough away the main point you used for Herath vs Jadeja??

Yes but Ashwin is a proven failure away.

Like there is something that is not this when salty is talking about Indian cricketers.

I like how you stalk threads looking for a time to give a comment nobody asked for.

 

[Xix2565]

Not being as bad away.

This isn't proven at all. It requires large, generally bad faith assumptions on the quality of past and present cricketers.

 

[ImpatientLime]

If you want to give him points for that Australia tour, then Jadeja also has the same numbers there......

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[subshakerz]

This isn't proven at all. It requires large, generally bad faith assumptions on the quality of past and present cricketers.

No it's just requires looking at how Ashwin did outside SC and lol teams like WI.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Again, Laker was goodish at worse.

Laker was JUST goodish.

Yes but Ashwin is a proven failure away.


I like how you stalk threads looking for a time to give a comment nobody asked for.

Herath is a much bigger proven failure. Jadeja has the exact same stats as Laker in Australia with the ball and great numbers in NZ as well. Then how did you vote for Herath??

 

[subshakerz]

Laker was JUST goodish.

Goodish is better than poor last I checked.

Herath is a much bigger proven failure. Jadeja has the exact same stats as Laker in Australia with the ball and great numbers in NZ as well. Then how did you vote for Herath??

Similar reason. I had no reason to believe Jadeja was capable of running through a side to potentially win a game outside SENA.

Jadeja in NZ? 5 wickets@60.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Goodish is better than poor last I checked.


Similar reason. I had no reason to believe Jadeja was capable of running through a side to potentially win a game outside SENA.

Neither did Laker ever do that. Anywhere outside England. How come he gets a pass in Australia and Jadeja doesn't??

 

[Xix2565]

No it's just requires looking at how Ashwin did outside SC and lol teams like WI.

Again, debating in bad faith is not good. You don't enjoy it when people lolsamplesize other players over Imran's efforts, why are you backwards here now? Is there a proper standard or are you also just as backwards as the people you criticize who pull down your favourite players?

 

[Xix2565]

And tbf, Jadeja nearly did that at Sydney 2021, just that Australia decided to break his thumb before he finished the job.

 

[subshakerz]

Again, debating in bad faith is not good. You don't enjoy it when people lolsamplesize other players over Imran's efforts, why are you backwards here now? Is there a proper standard or are you also just as backwards as the people you criticize who pull down your favourite players?

I have explained. Laker was a premodern era cricketer. If I used regular sample sizes I wouldn't even consider him on career length.

 

[subshakerz]

Neither did Laker ever do that. Anywhere outside England. How come he gets a pass in Australia and Jadeja doesn't??

Got closer than they did.

 

[Xix2565]

I have explained. Laker was a premodern era cricketer. If I used regular sample sizes I wouldn't even consider him on career length.

Being premodern isn't a reason to behave like this. In fact it should be even more reason to not rate Laker as highly, for playing in a worse era with less challenging scenarios to face and still not being better than Ashwin.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Got closer than they did.

Doesn't explains anything really...

 

[capt_Luffy]

I have explained. Laker was a premodern era cricketer. If I used regular sample sizes I wouldn't even consider him on career length.

He missed more matches than he played. Have nothing to do with being premodern Or not. His sample size in Australia is below the mark.

 

[subshakerz]

Being premodern isn't a reason to behave like this. In fact it should be even more reason to not rate Laker as highly, for playing in a worse era with less challenging scenarios to face and still not being better than Ashwin.

Normally you are right except Ashwin has built his failed record in SENA over something like 10-11 tours. That's not excusable.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Normally you are right except Ashwin has built his failed record in SENA over something like 10-11 tours. That's not excusable.

And ignore all the "excuses", aka the good Australia and English tours??