Is Bumrah the best cricketer India has ever produced?

[Socerer 01]

Yeah gatekeeping the format that requires the most cricketing skills, talent, temperament and IQ is weird.

this is the exact sort of circlejerk **** that i was alluding to, thanks for proving my point

 

[ma1978]

Nah still behind Tendulkar, Dev, Kohli, Gavaskar, Dravid and possibly Ashwin (my order) but I could see him being in the level of the galacticos before he retires.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Yet another thread where the answer is Jadeja.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah gatekeeping the format that requires the most cricketing skills, talent, temperament and IQ is weird.

Tests obviously the superior format etc, but it is a bit tiresome on that topic on here of late. There seemed to be a lot of try hard posts during the T20 WC bragging about not watching it etc

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Best all format bowler. Saying he is better than Tendulkar is a stretch though.

 

[Coronis]

The fact that he's literally India's only truly ATG quality bowler in their entire history means that he has to be in the argument atleast even without the longevity. If we'd produced a Hadlee or a Mcgrath then obviously no

Man what does Tendulkar have to do to be #1 in his own country? Contend for second best bat of all time in tests and first in ODIs? Nope not enough.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Bumrah’s amongst the great ODI bowlers, the T20 goat, and given his performances in tests purely quality based he is the best bowler India have ever had, and if he continues this level of performance till 300 wickets or so he’ll be in the top tier of ATG bowlers. So potentially he can surpass SRT absolutely. But given his sample size in tests right now, absolutely not. And I would prefer another great ODI WC for him(was great in 2019 and 2023 both).

 

[silentstriker]

Man what does Tendulkar have to do to be #1 in his own country? Contend for second best bat of all time in tests and first in ODIs? Nope not enough.

Bowling > Batting in terms of winning matches. Particularly fast bowling, if you want to win matches away from home.

 

[reyrey]

this is the exact sort of circlejerk **** that i was alluding to, thanks for proving my point

You had no point to make relevant to this thread. This is basically a comparison thread.

The greatest cricketers in Indias past and even in the present are guys who had exceptionally long and distinguished Test and white ball careers. Bumrah doesn't compare particularly well yet in the longevity area, especially in Tests. You crying about it doesn't change that.

 

[reyrey]

Tests obviously the superior format etc, but it is a bit tiresome on that topic on here of late. There seemed to be a lot of try hard posts during the T20 WC bragging about not watching it etc

No one in this thread talked down about or made a negative comment about Bumrahs T20 career or the format.

The only ones making this an issue about formats are the ones white knighting for T20.

 

[Shri]

Bumrah's away contributions plus this T20 triumph matter more to Indian legacy than Ashwin.

bumrah's away test series record is not as impressive ashwin keeping inia undefeated at home for 12 years

that is a better home record than what the best windies teams or aus teams ever achieved

but i still think bumrah is the best india has produced for different reasons

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's not gatekeeping. Bumrah is an all time great primarily because he's an all time great in tests where no other Indian bowler has ever been.

 

[ankitj]

Don't see the point of this thread after a good performance in ... what ... a T20 match?

 

[silentstriker]

Man what does Tendulkar have to do to be #1 in his own country? Contend for second best bat of all time in tests and first in ODIs? Nope not enough.

It's not about Tendulkar. I am the biggest Tendulkar fanboy on this forum.

But he was a batsman. Do you know how many Tests India won in the 90s (1 jan 1990-31 dec 1999), away from home? One - in Sri Lanka. Their record was 1-15 and 23 draws. Won zero Tests outside of Asia. With arguably the best batsman since Bradman. That's not Tendulkar's fault - it's just that batsmen don't win matches consistently, especially away from home; fast bowlers do. That's why, until recently, Pakistan had a much better away record than India.

Pakistan's record during the same period 17 wins, 14 losses and 10 draws. That included wins in England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, India, Australia, and South Africa. Fast bowling. It's just more critical than batsmen.


And that's why Bumrah is the best.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I am the biggest Tendulkar fanboy on this forum.

No you're not

 

[Socerer 01]

You had no point to make relevant to this thread. This is basically a comparison thread.

The greatest cricketers in Indias past and even in the present are guys who had exceptionally long and distinguished Test and white ball careers. Bumrah doesn't compare particularly well yet in the longevity area, especially in Tests. You crying about it doesn't change that.

you were the one randomly crying about his longevity issues despite him having been the 2nd most active Indian pacer in tests with only 1 test less than the 1st on that list since his debut

all i did was point out that due to the nature of modern cricket he isnt likely to play as many tests as cricketers in the past and that the same applies for most cricketers today that didnt debut ages ago and hence if we keep that as consideration for rating players overall then it’ll devolve into just comparing old player vs old player which is a clear thing that commonly occurs on this forum, out of the last 10 comparison threads by recent activity 6 have two old players being compared for the nth time and in the remaining 4 three of them feature the same dude who is in the limelight now

somehow you have turned that into me saying that tests = t20s

 

[Socerer 01]

No one in this thread talked down about or made a negative comment about Bumrahs T20 career or the format.

The only ones making this an issue about formats are the ones white knighting for T20.

are these people in the room with us right now?

 

[Socerer 01]

It's not about Tendulkar. I am the biggest Tendulkar fanboy on this forum.

But he was a batsman. Do you know how many Tests India won in the 90s (1 jan 1990-31 dec 1999), away from home? One - in Sri Lanka. Their record was 1-15 and 23 draws. Won zero Tests outside of Asia. With arguably the best batsman since Bradman. That's not Tendulkar's fault - it's just that batsmen don't win matches consistently, especially away from home; fast bowlers do. That's why, until recently, Pakistan had a much better away record than India.

Pakistan's record during the same period 17 wins, 14 losses and 10 draws. That included wins in England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, India, Australia, and South Africa. Fast bowling. It's just more critical than batsmen.


And that's why Bumrah is the best.

the last time i was active on this forum everyone was fellating pacers as the alpha species of cricket and cooking up hypothetical atg showdowns that would be low scoring and feature bowlers rawdogging every batsmen because bowlers are more valuable especially pacers

wtf happened in the short span i wasnt active that this post has taken so long to come up???

 

[silentstriker]

No you're not

Fighting words.

 

[smash84]

It's not about Tendulkar. I am the biggest Tendulkar fanboy on this forum.

This is very very arguable, and I would towards you being not his biggest fanboy on this forum