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Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall

Who is the greater test cricketer?

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CricketFan90s

CricketFan90s

State Vice-Captain
smash84 said:
NO. Just No.

I mean about the talent part. It's ridiculous to suggest that Pakistan has an abundance of talent right now. They really don't. The fielding is just the turd icing on the **** cake.
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i was speaking about the team in 90s. Now they are completly f....k..d up
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
That's why some teams, despite having the talent never made it to the top.

And you'll can laugh as much as you want, but also why Pakistan literally dropped the opportunity to complete against Australia this year. It's never been seen as a priority

It's hilarious how we look at stats and not impact. Australia, West Indies and South Africa I would wager won more games because of their slip cordons than with 5th bowlers and lower order batting combined.

But to acknowledge that is to elevate Kallis, and we can't have that.
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Agreed. Nobody is suggesting fielding isnt important though.

I think you could end this by just acknowledging valuing lower order runs more is a valid perspective.

I am just interested though when you say valuing Kallis more, against whom do you have in mind as an example?
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Agreed. Nobody is suggesting fielding isnt important though.

I think you could end this by just acknowledging valuing lower order runs more is a valid perspective.

I am just interested though when you say valuing Kallis more, against whom do you have in mind as an example?
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I think valuing either higher is a valid perspective. That's where we differ.

I've already acknowledged is as useful, you can also end this by doing the same. That valuing a strong cordon as being equally important is a valid perspective.

Re Kallis, everyone not named Sobers or Bradman. And before you ask why not Sobers, Sobers was the better bat, more effective bowler and more versatile and athletic catcher.

But a player who was arguably a top 10 batsman, possibly the 2nd best relief bowler and a top 5 slip catcher of this century and top 10 all time, especially using your accumulative / total value metric (which I don't), who's better than that?
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
kyear2 said:
I think valuing either higher is a valid perspective. That's where we differ.

I've already acknowledged is as useful, you can also end this by doing the same. That valuing a strong cordon as being equally important is a valid perspective.

Re Kallis, everyone not named Sobers or Bradman. And before you ask why not Sobers, Sobers was the better bat, more effective bowler and more versatile and athletic catcher.

But a player who was arguably a top 10 batsman, possibly the 2nd best relief bowler and a top 5 slip catcher of this century and top 10 all time, especially using your accumulative / total value metric (which I don't), who's better than that?
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Your favourite player, obviously!
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
kyear2 said:
I think valuing either higher is a valid perspective. That's where we differ.

I've already acknowledged is as useful, you can also end this by doing the same. That valuing a strong cordon as being equally important is a valid perspective.

Re Kallis, everyone not named Sobers or Bradman. And before you ask why not Sobers, Sobers was the better bat, more effective bowler and more versatile and athletic catcher.

But a player who was arguably a top 10 batsman, possibly the 2nd best relief bowler and a top 5 slip catcher of this century and top 10 all time, especially using your accumulative / total value metric (which I don't), who's better than that?
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The issue with Kallis is how much can he improve a side?

With Imran and Hadlee, the improvement of bowling is vast (1 among 4 or 5). For a batting allrounder to do it with the bat (1 among 6 or 7) is much difficult. That is why Imran and Hadlee would make much more impact than Kallis. Sobers was so good he can make an impact with bat.
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
Migara said:
The issue with Kallis is how much can he improve a side?

With Imran and Hadlee, the improvement of bowling is vast (1 among 4 or 5). For a batting allrounder to do it with the bat (1 among 6 or 7) is much difficult. That is why Imran and Hadlee would make much more impact than Kallis. Sobers was so good he can make an impact with bat.
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A lot of the impact of batting ARs is through team selection. A team (particularly one without a quality spinner) is going to have to choose between picking an extra B-tier bowler/bits and pieces player/breaking their bowlers (which is likely the worst long term choice).

A lot of the time, you will need to add their impact plus the impact of an extra bat.

And keep in mind that through the bowlers have more impact lense, a batting AR is replacing a lower impact bat, and a bowling AR a higher impact bowler.
 
CricketFan90s

CricketFan90s

State Vice-Captain
sayon basak said:
If somebody compiles a list of greatest cricketers he has to compare apples with oranges.
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SR Tendulkar (IND)1990-19996910912562621758.0010344+54.2822217732+27
MD Marshall (WI)1980-198963120143992399.551264343237/2219.912.6844.571722

Great Bowlers win Test Matches So Marshall > Tendulkar

Sachin scored at a rate of 51.61 Runs per Innings in 1990s and at a rate of 47.53 runs per innings in 2000s.
 
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