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Peak Botham vs Peak Sobers

Greater Cricketer


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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
I revise my opinion here. Firstly it’s a whole lot tougher, as I have underestimated Botham’s stats a lot. An allrounder averaging 40 with bat and 18 with ball is slightly more balanced than a batter averaging 65 with bat and 28 with the ball, probably.
 

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Lol terrible opinion liked by dumb posters, no offense
Everything in context, but carry on.
Didn't I tell you?
I do have to comment on @OverratedSanity though. I'm sure we agree on very little, and definely not this. But he's reasonable and fair and doesn't enter the conversation with a preconceived conclusion and doesn't distort the argument.
You don't know what a **** @OverratedSanity is. LoL.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Even though I said I would take peak Botham over a single Test series, I’m hung up on the wording of “greater cricketer” and it’s just very hard for my stupid brain to get past that and declare Botham to be a greater cricketer in any context.
 

capt_Luffy

International Coach
That's not what his legacy is primarily based on though, that's the difference.
Neither is Gavaskar's legacy base solely on his WI exploits (which he still has plenty, only one poor series among 5 he played, 3 against very strong attack). If anything, his legacy is based on arguably being the best batsman in Asia ever.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Neither is Gavaskar's legacy base solely on his WI exploits (which he still has plenty, only one poor series among 5 he played, 3 against very strong attack). If anything, his legacy is based on arguably being the best batsman in Asia ever.
Really? Gavaskar?
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I revise my opinion here. Firstly it’s a whole lot tougher, as I have underestimated Botham’s stats a lot. An allrounder averaging 40 with bat and 18 with ball is slightly more balanced than a batter averaging 65 with bat and 28 with the ball, probably.
Botham's batting is being underrated here. Had some quality knocks against Lillee, plus the Jubilee Test performance. I think the best cut off point for his peak would be the 81 Ashes, since even though his numbers are off, you can include the best series performance of all time on his CV.
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
Neither is Gavaskar's legacy base solely on his WI exploits (which he still has plenty, only one poor series among 5 he played, 3 against very strong attack). If anything, his legacy is based on arguably being the best batsman in Asia ever.
I’d probably go with Younis Khan as the best batsman in Asia. He wasn’t great against quality pace but he was arguably the goat against spin.
 

Coronis

International Coach
I’d probably go with Younis Khan as the best batsman in Asia. He wasn’t great against quality pace but he was arguably the goat against spin.
Younis would also be my initial pick. He was quality everywhere in Asia, most of the other Asian batsmen usually have at least one country where they were poor. From the Asian batsmen I checked, he was the only one with multiple tons in each Asian country he played (in fact he has at least 3 in every Asian country!)

Without checking anything for non-Asian players my mind drifts to Border and Cook.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Younis would also be my initial pick. He was quality everywhere in Asia, most of the other Asian batsmen usually have at least one country where they were poor. From the Asian batsmen I checked, he was the only one with multiple tons in each Asian country he played (in fact he has at least 3 in every Asian country!)

Without checking anything for non-Asian players my mind drifts to Border and Cook.
Best batsman in Asia is clearly Sehwag.
 

capt_Luffy

International Coach
I’d probably go with Younis Khan as the best batsman in Asia. He wasn’t great against quality pace but he was arguably the goat against spin.
Younis would be my second peak. But there are several batsman better than him to tour India, I believe Gavaskar was the best batsman to tour Pakistan. Around equals at home, SL was Bang level at Sunny's time, so can argue that Younis' performance in more countries sways this.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
"Peak" is just another of these meaningless words that is invoked as a term meaning whatever the speaker wants it to mean imo. Adds nothing useful or interesting to these conversations. But Sobers was better than Botham.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
"Peak" is just another of these meaningless words that is invoked as a term meaning whatever the speaker wants it to mean imo. Adds nothing useful or interesting to these conversations. But Sobers was better than Botham.
Not unless you believe form and performance just happen randomly in a players career
 

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