Michael Jordan vs Lebron James

[kyear2]

And all I'll say is that Kareem should be in the poll

 

[shortpitched713]

LeBron is underrated.

Jordan is best for peak, without a doubt. Had 5-6 of the most amazing seasons ever.

Kareem definitely a deserving shout though for longevity (and if you're a ring counter, he's tied with MJ at 6).

However, LeBron 09 or 12 are also right there with the top seasons of MJ, and a bunch more top 20-30 seasons + he has Kareem like longevity.

For me, whatever sane criteria you use, you can't end up with LeBron anywhere lower than 2nd among the 3.

Case against Wilt, is that the game has really evolved that much, both in terms of style, efficiency, and player quality. Wilt wasn't particularly efficient of a scorer even for his pre 3 point Era time, and some say he hurt his team, despite being th most monumental volume player of all time.

Russell is a bit underrated only because he was around before there were many stats other than points scored, which obviously wasn't his game. Case against him I pretty much the same as against Wilt though, to a greater extent, also because there is relatively little (although impressive) footage of him during his peak.

 

[shortpitched713]

Curry's peak was incredible, but very short. KD's was only slightly longer, but less peaky.

Out of more recent post peak LeBron players, Jokic is to me clearly the most consistent and valuable. Too many people were/have used the term unicorn, when there only has been one, Jokic.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

LeBron is underrated.

Jordan is best for peak, without a doubt. Had 5-6 of the most amazing seasons ever.

Kareem definitely a deserving shout though for longevity (and if you're a ring counter, he's tied with MJ at 6).

However, LeBron 09 or 12 are also right there with the top seasons of MJ, and a bunch more top 20-30 seasons + he has Kareem like longevity.

For me, whatever sane criteria you use, you can't end up with LeBron anywhere lower than 2nd among the 3.

Case against Wilt, is that the game has really evolved that much, both in terms of style, efficiency, and player quality. Wilt wasn't particularly efficient of a scorer even for his pre 3 point Era time, and some say he hurt his team, despite being th most monumental volume player of all time.

Russell is a bit underrated only because he was around before there were many stats other than points scored, which obviously wasn't his game. Case against him I pretty much the same as against Wilt though, to a greater extent, also because there is relatively little (although impressive) footage of him during his peak.

Wilt led the league in FG for 10 seasons. Goat rebounder and Goat shot blocker. Ofc terrible free throw shooter but important to remember they changed all the rules to stop Wilt. I think it was Sonny Hill who stated, “If we call all the fouls against Wilt, we wouldnt have a game”. Jordan though was the golden boy, the bigger superstar and got exact opposite treatment of Wilt but Wilt was the better basketball player.

 

[OverratedSanity]

And Wilts 50 ppg for a season is as absurd as anything Bradman has done in cricket if not more so.

No. Considering the pace of play and how much he dominated the ball, it's one of the most overrated seasons in NBA history.

Wilt was the OG empty stats black hole of the sport. A big man version of Melo on steroids. Zero argument for him to be alongside MJ/LeBron.

 

[Victor Ian]

Yep. Love Jordan but Wilt is too easily discounted. A champion is a champion in any era and would play according to the times. Wilt had speed, strength, skill and wasn't a quitter. The reason he doesn't have rings is his buddy Russell and the original superteam.

 

[Victor Ian]

Lol, empty stats. Empty stats is lebrons rebounding in the modern era when the whole floor vacates to the other end and then le botch grabs the uncontested ball and walks it up to the other end, often travelling, sometimes bouncing balls off his feet.

He's probably more a sheep. But leBitches equal or better in the same era, so might nudge top 10.

to be clear on this, I meant Steph at worst is lebrons equal or Steph is better.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The reason he doesn't have rings is his buddy Russell and the original superteam.

Lol what Wilt played on the original superteam and it was a massive failure.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Do you guys think luka and kyrie are gonna win this

 

[OverratedSanity]

Do you guys think luka and kyrie are gonna win this

One can only hope

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Lol what Wilt played on the original superteam and it was a massive failure.

That team lasted for a year and made the final and nearly won it. Wilt was passed his absolute peak, Elgin was getting nearer to his end as well.
Wilt also led 2 of the greatest team ever assembled including the greatest winning streak of all time.

 

[Coronis]

Russell > Wilt

 

[kyear2]

Do you guys think luka and kyrie are gonna win this

Likely.

And the NBA believes it has a problem, because they haven't had an American at the helm for how many years now?

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Russell > Wilt

Then, Russell also >>> Jordan. 11 is wayy more than 6.

 

[Victor Ian]

Then, Russell also >>> Jordan. 11 is wayy more than 6.

I don't think he is saying Russel is more than Wilt because of rings. Russel may not have scored much but he was the essential cog in that Celtics team that probably made the other players better. This is something really great players do...unlike LeBron.

 

[kyear2]

Then, Russell also >>> Jordan. 11 is wayy more than 6.

Too early era, no draft, fewer teams, all the best players....

 

[Victor Ian]

Doesn't more teams dilute the player pool. So with less teams, they be playing to a higher standard with less easybeats.
In Russel's time, they could bounce the ball without cupping it, changing its direction, etc. imagine Russel and Wilt with fitness coaches and nutritionists and all the extra analysis and stuff. Too early era excuse is a cop out.

 

[kyear2]

Doesn't more teams dilute the player pool. So with less teams, they be playing to a higher standard with less easybeats.
In Russel's time, they could bounce the ball without cupping it, changing its direction, etc. imagine Russel and Wilt with fitness coaches and nutritionists and all the extra analysis and stuff. Too early era excuse is a cop out.

There were less great players overall and quite a few of them were on his own team. Fewer teams means you have a better chance from the start to make it to the finals.

 

[Victor Ian]

Anyway, this is about the Jordan vs lebitch and there are two people here we have to get to admit they are wrong.

 

[kyear2]

Anyway, this is about the Jordan vs lebitch and there are two people here we have to get to admit they are wrong.

Lol, yeah. No comparison really.

James went super team hunting and still ended up with less rings over more seasons.