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Rahul Dravid vs Graeme Pollock

Who is the greater test batsman?

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
ma1978 said:
I've made my argument as to why I think Dravid is a better bat than Pollock, even leaving longevity aside (he was tested more in more conditions for a similar output). Now give me why you think Pollock is better other than your intuition.
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Not intuition, his peer rating as Sobers level.
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
by peer rating Amar Singh can be considered India’s greatest ever pacer

peer rating needs to stop being a criteria unto itself ffs
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
I guess I'm different. I don't see Kapil as an ATG bowler or batsman, so don't see how you can be an ATG overall.

Never been a fan of the jack of all trades, master of none players.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
With no disrespect to Chippy, a world in which Miller isn't an ATG but S Pollock is is a world in which I refuse to live.
 
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Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
kyear2 said:
I guess I'm different. I don't see Kapil as an ATG bowler or batsman, so don't see how you can be an ATG overall.

Never been a fan of the jack of all trades, master of none players.
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I think this is possibly because you spend so much time thinking about ATG Country XI matchups where these players would logically be less useful (Ronnie Irani was probably a better county cricketer than Andy Caddick for example, but Caddick was more useful a level above - you'd probably get something similar with Kapil vs Bumrah or something at ATG fantasy level).

I like discussing these things as much as you do, but I try not to let imaginary time travel cricket cloud my opinions as to how good players actually were in Tests.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Prince EWS said:
I think this is possibly because you spend so much time thinking about ATG Country XI matchups where these players would logically be less useful (Ronnie Irani was probably a better county cricketer than Andy Caddick for example, but Caddick was more useful a level above - you'd probably get something similar with Kapil vs Bumrah or something at ATG fantasy level).

I like discussing these things as much as you do, but I try not to let imaginary time travel cricket cloud my opinions as to how good players actually were in Tests.
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Miller was a really good bowler, But as a test batsman, averaging 30's isn't good enough.

Botham went to hell the 2nd half of his career.

As previously discussed I also have a much higher standard for ATG than most, we've discussed this before.

It's the ultimate designation for a cricketer, there's nothing above that.

You can be average, good, very good, great and then ATG. That's the best if the very best.

As I said, for me Miller is borderline, but that's based on his bowling.

Don't know why this is a shock, but also bear in mind, I'm not as all rounder inclined as you are either.

And as I have explained multiple times as well, I rate players first and foremost on how they are in their primary role, and where would Miller rank as a bowler alone? Despite the similar numbers, he wasn't Imran.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Prince EWS said:
I think this is possibly because you spend so much time thinking about ATG Country XI matchups where these players would logically be less useful (Ronnie Irani was probably a better county cricketer than Andy Caddick for example, but Caddick was more useful a level above - you'd probably get something similar with Kapil vs Bumrah or something at ATG fantasy level).

I like discussing these things as much as you do, but I try not to let imaginary time travel cricket cloud my opinions as to how good players actually were in Tests.
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No, I compare them at test level. And there's no comparison. All Bumrah needs is some more longevity.
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
kyear2 said:
Miller was a really good bowler, But as a test batsman, averaging 30's isn't good enough.

Botham went to hell the 2nd half of his career.

As previously discussed I also have a much higher standard for ATG than most, we've discussed this before.

It's the ultimate designation for a cricketer, there's nothing above that.

You can be average, good, very good, great and then ATG. That's the best if the very best.

As I said, for me Miller is borderline, but that's based on his bowling.

Don't know why this is a shock, but also bear in mind, I'm not as all rounder inclined as you are either.

And as I have explained multiple times as well, I rate players first and foremost on how they are in their primary role, and where would Miller rank as a bowler alone? Despite the similar numbers, he wasn't Imran.
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Do you rate Dravid and Sangakkara as ATGs?
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Is Miller an ATG AR?
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I don't rate players accumulatively. Sure we had this discussion months ago. Can you be an ATG player if you aren't an ATG at either discipline.

Then Gilly was brought up and that stated its own discussion.

I don't know, as I've said. He closer than the other two and for an average team, he would have impact as an opening bowler and lower order batsman.

If forced to choose, then possibly. It's close.
 
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