ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Try Imran Khan. He improves every team.
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Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall
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Slifer
International Captain
You are aware that kyear2 didn't coin that term "Black Bradman." The media, because of how much Headley carried the WI in the 30s bestowed it on him. West Indians tongue in cheek termed Bradman the "White Headley. " All acknowledged that it was a pardonable exaggeration. Sheesh !!
Slifer
International Captain
Yes, players like Imran, Sobers, Hadlee, Kallis, Gilchrist and Bradman all bring something extra to all teams....imo. The top shelf all rounders are negligibly worse than the specialists, while being supremely better in their secondary skill. Gilchrist is Gilchrist and Bradman needs no introduction.
smash84
The Tiger King
Sacrilege. Seems like you missed the thousand hoops that kyear2 jumped to show how there was a huge gap between Imran and bowlers above him, and minuscule gap between him and the next 55.
Also secondary skills don't count. Unless it's fielding. And that too, only slip fielding.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
In Tests i will prefer Lara over Sachin due to his ability to score big scores.
kyear2
International Coach
Literally what he was called. I'm lost.
kyear2
International Coach
The lengths that some of these people go to.
kyear2
International Coach
I've never said that, and I've gone to great lengths to say I've never said that.
But I understand the lengths you have to go to.
You'll are the ones that have been trying to say that slip fielding isn't important.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
“Black Bradman” was used to bring pride among the West Indies Fans to Promote Cricket 
in that Islands and The Caribbean Cricket fans named Bradman “White Headley”. George Headley was the First Hero of Carribean Islands not to take away any credit from him. He was clearly the 3rd Best Batsmen of that Generation behind Bradman and Hammond.
in that Islands and The Caribbean Cricket fans named Bradman “White Headley”. George Headley was the First Hero of Carribean Islands not to take away any credit from him. He was clearly the 3rd Best Batsmen of that Generation behind Bradman and Hammond.
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smash84
The Tiger King
Compared to batting and bowling, it really isn't.
kyear2
International Coach
That's why some teams, despite having the talent never made it to the top.
And you'll can laugh as much as you want, but also why Pakistan literally dropped the opportunity to complete against Australia this year. It's never been seen as a priority
It's hilarious how we look at stats and not impact. Australia, West Indies and South Africa I would wager won more games because of their slip cordons than with 5th bowlers and lower order batting combined.
But to acknowledge that is to elevate Kallis, and we can't have that.
smash84
The Tiger King
Your post is silly.
I made this whole post about fielding that you obviously ignored.
Slip fielding is a SUB SET of the general fielding of the team. Once you have good fielding standards, you can train individuals for the slip cordon. It never happened that somehow only a slip cordon was full of Mark Waughs and rest of of the unit was fielding like Bangladesh. Mark Waugh was good everywhere he fielded, and the Australian fielding was also (along with SA) the best in the world. They could take Mark Waugh and train him to be a slip specialist. You can't do that when the whole fielding pool is substandard.
kyear2
International Coach
Hence why it's something that should be made a priority and part of the game from a young age. Part of the culture.
It's no different from batting and bowling, it requires natural talent, but also needs to be cultivated
If it's not prioritized, this can't happen. If everyone in authority believes it's not important, it's never prioritized
You cannot consistently have a great team, home and away if you have a substandard cordon. A great one gives you an advantage.
It's no different from batting and bowling, it requires natural talent, but also needs to be cultivated
If it's not prioritized, this can't happen. If everyone in authority believes it's not important, it's never prioritized
You cannot consistently have a great team, home and away if you have a substandard cordon. A great one gives you an advantage.
smash84
The Tiger King
Yeah, I guess you now realize how silly your points sounds regarding the comparing batting and bowling to fielding.
kyear2
International Coach
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Slip Fielding plays a Crucial role in Wins. One catch can change the match. This is the main difference between Australia and Pakistan. Talent Wise Pakistan has the ability to dominate any Country but Poor Leadership and Poor Fielding cost them too many ICC Trophies.
smash84
The Tiger King
NO. Just No.
I mean about the talent part. It's ridiculous to suggest that Pakistan has an abundance of talent right now. They really don't. The fielding is just the turd icing on the **** cake.
smash84
The Tiger King
Your checklist is missing how Headley fielded in the slip cordon on the tour match against Durham.