The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[CricketFan90s]

Gayle is not an option for any ATG Test team

Not really, Gayle fits in well to give better balance to this team. I am taking a team that wins the match.

 

[CricketFan90s]

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Look at this Team a Great Captain, 2 Spin Bowlers to speed up the over rate if required and 4 fast bowling monsters, 3 batsmen Richards, Lara and Sobers who can score big runs. Australia also will find difficult to defeat this team. A Team requires right balance and this team has it all.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Gayle is not an option for any ATG Test team

yes may be a player from 1850s who played with a broom stick will fit into an ATG Team.

 

[kyear2]

Well if you’re going to ignore Bradman’s contribution you may as well ignore Headley’s too. And yes yes we get it you don’t think a spinner is important because the Windies were great without one.

I said none of that. Why does everyone blow things out if proportion.
Bradman's the best batsman ever, he legit never faced attacks like these. Don't think he becomes irrelevant though.

Warne and Murali suffered at the hands of great and even very good players more than most ATGs, not sure he's going to be the difference maker.

All three teams are strong and can surprise any of the others.

 

[kyear2]

Conrad Hunte overseas record is not that great, Gayle on the other hand can be a good handy spinner along with sobers so that we can go with full fledged West Indies Quartet. From gayle expecting a fast 30-35 runs to kick start the innings and it can be taken over by Richards and Lara. Overrating old players and undermining new players is not a sign of wisdom as perceived by some people in the group.

I watched Gayle's entire career, he's not in this conversation. Haynes or even Fredericks or Worrell over him.

 

[kyear2]

yes may be a player from 1850s who played with a broom stick will fit into an ATG Team.

How old are u?

 

[CricketFan90s]

I watched Gayle's entire career, he's not in this conversation. Haynes or even Fredericks or Worrell over him.

Haynes is a good option I agree. But included Gayle as we need an extra part time spinner as 6th bowler.

 

[CricketFan90s]

How old are u?

Tell me what makes you feel that Conrad hunt was better than Gayle ?

 

[TheJediBrah]

South Africa (T: 214 runs from 50 ovs)

BATTING		R	B	M	4s	6s	SR
Gary Kirsten	b Warne	18	42	59	1	0	42.85
Herschelle Gibbs	b Warne	30	36	51	6	0	83.33
Daryll Cullinan	run out (Bevan)	6	30	39	0	0	20.00
Hansie Cronje (c)	c ME Waugh b Warne	0	2	2	0	0	0.00
Jacques Kallis	c SR Waugh b Warne	53	92	119	3	0	57.60
Jonty Rhodes	c Bevan b Reiffel	43	55	70	2	1	78.18
Shaun Pollock	b Fleming	20	14	27	1	1	142.85
Lance Klusener	not out	31	16	32	4	1	193.75
Mark Boucher †	b McGrath	5	10	13	0	0	50.00
Steve Elworthy	run out (Reiffel/McGrath)	1	1	3	0	0	100.00
Allan Donald	run out (ME Waugh/Fleming/†Gilchrist)	0	0	7	0	0	-
Extras	(lb 1, w 5)	6
TOTAL	49.4 Ov (RR: 4.28)	213

1999 World Cup Semi Final defeat for South Africa who has to be blamed ? They had 9 Batsmen who can bat from Kirsten to Boucher surprisingly all failed to send RSA to final.

Kallis for batting too slowly

 

[CricketFan90s]

Kallis for batting too slowly

That’s also true Kallis was like Snail

 

[CricketFan90s]

I watched Gayle's entire career, he's not in this conversation. Haynes or even Fredericks or Worrell over him.

I need a Batsmen who can do spin bowling along with Gary Sobers

 

[Victor Ian]

I need a Batsmen who can do spin bowling along with Gary Sobers

Why? Unless he is better than Sobers, just let Sobers do the spin.

 

[kyear2]

Why? Unless he is better than Sobers, just let Sobers do the spin.

This.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Why? Unless he is better than Sobers, just let Sobers do the spin.

we need 2 bowlers to spin the ball as sometimes if the wicket is turning a captain may need 2 spin bowlers to cause problems to batsmen so sobers if he gets support from another spinner like gayle it will be a flexible option.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Chris Gayle would be a very valuable bloke to have around the group too, for non-cricketing reasons

 

[kyear2]

we need 2 bowlers to spin the ball as sometimes if the wicket is turning a captain may need 2 spin bowlers to cause problems to batsmen so sobers if he gets support from another spinner like gayle it will be a flexible option.

I. V. A. Can fill that role if required, or just use Gibbs. Gayle was a liability in the field and not that good with the bat tbh.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Joel Garner took 56 Wickets at an Average of 17.43, Malcolm Marshall took 51 Wickets at an Average of 18.02 and Michael Holding took 31 Wickets at an Average of 23.48.
They Destroyed English Team with these 3 Bowlers in 1984 and 1986.

 

[CricketFan90s]

I. V. A. Can fill that role if required, or just use Gibbs. Gayle was a liability in the field and not that good with the bat tbh.

saw his stats he was not so good in tests. Richards was good in ODI's. Gibbs is a good option on turning wicket.

 

[CricketFan90s]

 

[kyear2]

Would say Garner instead of Holding