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AB de Villiers vs Gordon Greenidge

Who is the better test batsman?

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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
ma1978 said:
yet another brilliant hot take from the guy who has no idea whyRichards ans Ponting are valued the way they are
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Mate, there is no comparison. You say Greenidge was on Gavaskar’s level after 70-80 tests? After the English series in ‘86

71 matches 117 innings 5033 @ 48.39 12 tons 27 fifties Home: 56.76 Away: 43.57

Gavaskar at a similar stage in his career…

65 matches 118 innings 6012 @ 54.65 23 tons 25 fifties Home: 48.14 Away: 61.66

They were never close lol. Greenidge was always a HTB, his record at that point also compares poorly with Gavaskar’s overall record. And lol @ the Ponting/Richards thing - Greenidge’s SR was 50, Gavaskar’s was 45, big whoop.

Bloke made 50+ scores less often than all the other great openers (even below the vaunted big four). He never was and never will be comparable to Gavaskar.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
Coronis said:
Mate, there is no comparison. You say Greenidge was on Gavaskar’s level after 70-80 tests? After the English series in ‘86

71 matches 117 innings 5033 @ 48.39 12 tons 27 fifties Home: 56.76 Away: 43.57

Gavaskar at a similar stage in his career…

65 matches 118 innings 6012 @ 54.65 23 tons 25 fifties Home: 48.14 Away: 61.66

They were never close lol. Greenidge was always a HTB, his record at that point also compares poorly with Gavaskar’s overall record. And lol @ the Ponting/Richards thing - Greenidge’s SR was 50, Gavaskar’s was 45, big whoop.

Bloke made 50+ scores less often than all the other great openers (even below the vaunted big four). He never was and never will be comparable to Gavaskar.
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fair enough, can’t argue with this
 
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MexicanRiver

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Coronis said:
Mate, there is no comparison. You say Greenidge was on Gavaskar’s level after 70-80 tests? After the English series in ‘86

71 matches 117 innings 5033 @ 48.39 12 tons 27 fifties Home: 56.76 Away: 43.57

Gavaskar at a similar stage in his career…

65 matches 118 innings 6012 @ 54.65 23 tons 25 fifties Home: 48.14 Away: 61.66

They were never close lol. Greenidge was always a HTB, his record at that point also compares poorly with Gavaskar’s overall record. And lol @ the Ponting/Richards thing - Greenidge’s SR was 50, Gavaskar’s was 45, big whoop.

Bloke made 50+ scores less often than all the other great openers (even below the vaunted big four). He never was and never will be comparable to Gavaskar.
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Gavaskar mostly feasted on WSC-depleted attacks and that terrible West Indies attack in the 71 series. Nothing special in the two toughest places to open in England and New Zealand either; got flat pitches in Pakistan and was an Indian opener, so had a lot of access to flat pitches. Gavaskar also failed in his toughest Australian tour and feasted there against some poor attacks. Yeah, commendable there, with some good knocks against Thompson, but he wasn't a great test bowler.

While Greenidge wasn't great in Australia, he proved himself on seaming decks in New Zealand and England against very good attacks in multiple series. He was unlucky to play Pakistan mostly after turning 35, and unlike Gavaskar, he got tough pitches in Pakistan. He didn't have access to Indian roads for home games either. Gavaskar is better than Greenidge, but gavaskar's record outside Asia flatters him so much. It's more inflated than Venezuela's economy. In fact, he's the most overrated batsman ever, even more so than Ponting. Absolutely disgusting
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
MexicanRiver said:
Gavaskar mostly feasted on WSC-depleted attacks and that terrible West Indies attack in the 71 series. Nothing special in the two toughest places to open in England and New Zealand either; got flat pitches in Pakistan and was an Indian opener, so had a lot of access to flat pitches. Gavaskar also failed in his toughest Australian tour and feasted there against some poor attacks. Yeah, commendable there, with some good knocks against Thompson, but he wasn't a great test bowler.

While Greenidge wasn't great in Australia, he proved himself on seaming decks in New Zealand and England against very good attacks in multiple series. He was unlucky to play Pakistan mostly after turning 35, and unlike Gavaskar, he got tough pitches in Pakistan. He didn't have access to Indian roads for home games either. Gavaskar is better than Greenidge, but gavaskar's record outside Asia flatters him so much. It's more inflated than Venezuela's economy. In fact, he's the most overrated batsman ever, even more so than Ponting. Absolutely disgusting
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Sounds like an awful lot of excuses to me.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
MexicanRiver said:
Gavaskar mostly feasted on WSC-depleted attacks and that terrible West Indies attack in the 71 series. Nothing special in the two toughest places to open in England and New Zealand either; got flat pitches in Pakistan and was an Indian opener, so had a lot of access to flat pitches. Gavaskar also failed in his toughest Australian tour and feasted there against some poor attacks. Yeah, commendable there, with some good knocks against Thompson, but he wasn't a great test bowler.

While Greenidge wasn't great in Australia, he proved himself on seaming decks in New Zealand and England against very good attacks in multiple series. He was unlucky to play Pakistan mostly after turning 35, and unlike Gavaskar, he got tough pitches in Pakistan. He didn't have access to Indian roads for home games either. Gavaskar is better than Greenidge, but gavaskar's record outside Asia flatters him so much. It's more inflated than Venezuela's economy. In fact, he's the most overrated batsman ever, even more so than Ponting. Absolutely disgusting
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Awwwwww..... After your Ponting/Pietersen post, I thought we would be friends :cry:
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
On a serious note though, I don't have any problems with Ponting, I have problem when people place him in a separate tier to the likes of Dravid, Waugh, Border, etc.
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
MexicanRiver said:
Gavaskar mostly feasted on WSC-depleted attacks and that terrible West Indies attack in the 71 series. Nothing special in the two toughest places to open in England and New Zealand either; got flat pitches in Pakistan and was an Indian opener, so had a lot of access to flat pitches. Gavaskar also failed in his toughest Australian tour and feasted there against some poor attacks. Yeah, commendable there, with some good knocks against Thompson, but he wasn't a great test bowler.

While Greenidge wasn't great in Australia, he proved himself on seaming decks in New Zealand and England against very good attacks in multiple series. He was unlucky to play Pakistan mostly after turning 35, and unlike Gavaskar, he got tough pitches in Pakistan. He didn't have access to Indian roads for home games either. Gavaskar is better than Greenidge, but gavaskar's record outside Asia flatters him so much. It's more inflated than Venezuela's economy. In fact, he's the most overrated batsman ever, even more so than Ponting. Absolutely disgusting
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Gavaskar exposed
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
MexicanRiver said:
Gavaskar mostly feasted on WSC-depleted attacks and that terrible West Indies attack in the 71 series. Nothing special in the two toughest places to open in England and New Zealand either; got flat pitches in Pakistan and was an Indian opener, so had a lot of access to flat pitches. Gavaskar also failed in his toughest Australian tour and feasted there against some poor attacks. Yeah, commendable there, with some good knocks against Thompson, but he wasn't a great test bowler.

While Greenidge wasn't great in Australia, he proved himself on seaming decks in New Zealand and England against very good attacks in multiple series. He was unlucky to play Pakistan mostly after turning 35, and unlike Gavaskar, he got tough pitches in Pakistan. He didn't have access to Indian roads for home games either. Gavaskar is better than Greenidge, but gavaskar's record outside Asia flatters him so much. It's more inflated than Venezuela's economy. In fact, he's the most overrated batsman ever, even more so than Ponting. Absolutely disgusting
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Gabaskars reputation was built around the horrible WI attacks of the early '70's and WSC ravaged attacks.

Gavaskar never scored a hundred against a decent pace attack on anything faster than QPO and Bourda, look at his records on Kensington or Sabina. He murdered poor attacks and good attacks on slow pitches.

Is he better than Gordon, yes, is the 3rd best (test) opener ever, definitely yes, but to pretend he's leagues ahead is also misleading.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Coronis said:
I know why they are rated the way they are. The reasoning just doesn’t make any sense. It also has nothing to do with Gavaskar or Greenidge.
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Don't think it was implied that it did.

And of course it makes sense, there's a reason why Ponting and Sachin are rated above Kallis, Sobers above Barrington, Hobbs over Surcliffe, Richards over Gavaskar and Border.
 
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