Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

[OverratedSanity]

No.

It's arguable imo. Their careers were only short in terms of test match count, not number of years. Played some variety of opposition and toured multiple countries over a reasonable stretch of time. They wouldn't have maintained a 60+ average but I don't really have any problem with people ranking them quite highly, unlike Barry Richards types.

 

[kyear2]

I categorically don’t agree with this point of view, but I can see a case for ranking Sachin (because of 200 tests across so many different countries or conditions) or Richards (for being Viv) over Bradman, and that wouldn’t be a meme vote.

No ones arguing against that.

 

[Prince EWS]

I categorically don’t agree with this point of view, but I can see a case for ranking Sachin (because of 200 tests across so many different countries or conditions) or Richards (for being Viv) over Bradman, and that wouldn’t be a meme vote.

If someone legitimately believes that then the vote should obviously count. Noone really thinks Voges or Jadeja are amongst the best three batsmen of all time though.

I think if LL thinks some votes are actually intellectually dishonest then that's where he should consider not counting them. It's his baby, it's up to him how he counts the votes.

 

[ma1978]

If someone legitimately believes that then the vote should obviously count. Noone really thinks Voges or Jadeja are amongst the best three batsmen of all time though.

I think if LL thinks some votes are actually intellectually dishonest then that's where he should consider not counting them. It's his baby, it's up to him how he counts the votes.

agreed

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's arguable imo. Their careers were only short in terms of test match count, not number of years. Played some variety of opposition and toured multiple countries over a reasonable stretch of time. They wouldn't have maintained a 60+ average but I don't really have any problem with people ranking them quite highly, unlike Barry Richards types.

Not really. Headley only toured Australia once and had meddling results; he truly only thrived against England both home and away; over a period of 7 years and 14 Test matches. Same for Pollock too, one tour of Australia and one of England, rest at home; over 7 years and 23 matches. Don't get me wrong, they're shoo ins in my Top 15, but to rank them ahead of Ponting, Dravid, Miandad and Barrington; you have to take their FC record into account imo.

 

[kyear2]

Not really. Headley only toured Australia once and had meddling results; he truly only thrived against England both home and away; over a period of 7 years and 14 Test matches. Same for Pollock too, one tour of Australia and one of England, rest at home; over 7 years and 23 matches. Don't get me wrong, they're shoo ins in my Top 15, but to rank them ahead of Ponting, Dravid, Miandad and Barrington; you have to take their FC record into account imo.

If you read up on the Australia tour, he improved steadily as it went along and Grimmett was full of praise for him technique.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If you read up on the Australia tour, he improved steadily as it went along and Grimmett was full of praise for him technique.

I honestly haven't read about it much, definitely plans to. And don't get me wrong, Headley just misses out my Top 10 batsman and I don't think there's much between him and Hammond; but as it stands, without accounting for his FC career, it's tough to rank him ahead of the likes of Border, Miandad and even Root, as I would prefer to do.

 

[kyear2]

I honestly haven't read about it much, definitely plans to. And don't get me wrong, Headley just misses out my Top 10 batsman and I don't think there's much between him and Hammond; but as it stands, without accounting for his FC career, it's tough to rank him ahead of the likes of Border, Miandad and even Root, as I would prefer to do.

I'm not saying top 10, but serious quality trumps quantity for me.

 

[kyear2]

First round has been settled.

A little surprising for no. 3, but next round should be also between 4 individuals.

 

[trundler]

Bradman
Hobbs
Tendulkar

 

[Prince EWS]

Bradman
Hobbs
Tendulkar

This isn't the poll thread, it's the debate thread for the poll thread.

 

[subshakerz]

Bradman and Tendulkar clear no.1 and no.2.

 

[ankitj]

Just putting it out there – I already don't like the batsmen ranking results

In had more foresight than you all.

 

[kyear2]

How does each of these get off the track all the time, and the same **** each time.

 

[ma1978]

Bradman and Tendulkar clear no.1 and no.2.

no shame in putting Jack Hobbs (or Richards or Sobers or Lara) above Sachin, but the weight of Tendulkars run making and his ridiculously long peak trump all

 

[subshakerz]

Lara has the whole flawed genius thing going on, doesnt belong that high.

 

[ma1978]

Lara has the whole flawed genius thing going on, doesnt belong that high.

depends how much you weigh the genius vs the flaws

but I’d personally go with Tendulkar for transcending eras and completeness of record

 

[subshakerz]

depends how much you weigh the genius vs the flaws

but I’d personally go with Tendulkar for transcending eras and completeness of record

I agree. For me it is far more of an achievement to have a flawless record over such a long career like Tendulkar than Lara's highs. And Lara's low period from 96 to 2001 was well below anything that can be justified for a top tier ATG.

 

[ma1978]

The next three are hard. I went all West Indian which I’m comfortable with but ranking them isn’t easy.

Richards because he was the best of an era for along period but also had a great peak and because he is Viv Richards…

Sobers because he was also the best of an era but a worse era than Richards

My heart says Lara should be above both of them because of his heights and I actually saw his peak. But he wasn’t obviously the best of his era, and there was probably a bit more inconsistency.

Another day, another ranking on these three

 

[Line and Length]

It certainly is a tough round. I have 5 players that all deserve mentions.