ataraxia
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Duh.
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Better Batsman - Jadeja or Imran?
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Coronis
International Coach
Just when you think you know which people to take seriously
ataraxia
International Coach
Botham's crap 
Lillee's trash
Your whole life's a lie π
Just because they were in colour
Doesn't mean their stats don't mattuh
Your schoolboy apprehensions: they really must die π
Face it: whether or not Ian had abilities
He certainly didn't have good abilities
encore β With Jay Shah and the IPL
Mumbai Indians New York will make you take the L
I'm sorry but the end to this Ashes bias is nigh π π
Lillee's trash
Your whole life's a lie π
Just because they were in colour
Doesn't mean their stats don't mattuh
Your schoolboy apprehensions: they really must die π
Face it: whether or not Ian had abilities
He certainly didn't have good abilities
encore β With Jay Shah and the IPL
Mumbai Indians New York will make you take the L
I'm sorry but the end to this Ashes bias is nigh π
πsubshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Botham clearly better than both.
Botham there is great fame of him.Botham's crap
Lillee's trash
Your whole life's a lie π
Just because they were in colour
Doesn't mean their stats don't mattuh
Your schoolboy apprehensions: they really must die π
Face it: whether or not Ian had abilities
He certainly didn't have good abilities
encore β With Jay Shah and the IPL
Mumbai Indians New York will make you take the L
I'm sorry but the end to this Ashes bias is nigh π
But ataraxia nobody even knows name of him.
kyear2
International Coach
I'm here depending Imran and still can't win.
250 -7 isn't exactly chaos and there were 4 hundreds scored in the innings.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You'll defend him but won't vote for him.
kyear2
International Coach
Would be an interesting list to see.
kyear2
International Coach
Because it's really close and I genuinely don't know. I came into this having Imran slightly ahead, but I'm honestly listening to the arguments.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It's ok, you can vote for Jadeja until you feel you have no other conceivable choice and then withdraw your vote. We won't judge.
kyear2
International Coach
How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Relax just joshing.
It's pretty close.
Both are deserving of a 33-34 averaging bat, that's about it so they have inflated stats by not outs and had luxury of playing in strong teams.
I think if we assume all factors same and playing in same era then Jadeja is probably 33(as of now) while Imran is 34 average player. Botham would be 36 and Stokes 37. Kapil would be 33 too but his SR would be higher so he can be rated slightly better bat than both Imran and Jaddu( and that's a pretty big debate in itself).
Jadeja has 4 hundreds in 71 tests while Imran had 6 in 88 tests and Jadeja has a few more fifties than Imran so it's pretty even in my opinion but Jadeja can go past him with a test hundred in Australia later this year because Imran's batting stats went north only in his final 15 tests when he barely bowled otherwise he was a 31-32 averaging bat after 71 tests. In that regard, Jaddu can claim to go past him with a couple more of vital knocks overseas with bat.
Both are deserving of a 33-34 averaging bat, that's about it so they have inflated stats by not outs and had luxury of playing in strong teams.
I think if we assume all factors same and playing in same era then Jadeja is probably 33(as of now) while Imran is 34 average player. Botham would be 36 and Stokes 37. Kapil would be 33 too but his SR would be higher so he can be rated slightly better bat than both Imran and Jaddu( and that's a pretty big debate in itself).
Jadeja has 4 hundreds in 71 tests while Imran had 6 in 88 tests and Jadeja has a few more fifties than Imran so it's pretty even in my opinion but Jadeja can go past him with a test hundred in Australia later this year because Imran's batting stats went north only in his final 15 tests when he barely bowled otherwise he was a 31-32 averaging bat after 71 tests. In that regard, Jaddu can claim to go past him with a couple more of vital knocks overseas with bat.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Imran based on his long batting peak:
stats.espncricinfo.com
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h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
So he scored 1 half century with no hundreds in his first 25 tests (42 innings) and you have exactly taken out that part.Imran based on his long batting peak:
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yes because I specified batting peak. Maybe you missed that.
This is Jadeja's btw.
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OverratedSanity
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He wasn't that good with the ball in his first 25 tests too (averaged 32), so the "his batting and bowling peaks didn't coincide" thing is definitely exaggerated. His batting numbers are decent even without his last few years.Yes because I specified batting peak. Maybe you missed that.
This is Jadeja's btw.
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h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Jadeja's is classic cherry picking as well. When you talk about the peak of a great cricketer, there has to be some substance outside the peak as well.Yes because I specified batting peak. Maybe you missed that.
This is Jadeja's btw.
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Like Ponting's from 2001-2007 or Sachin's from 1993-2011. It is fair to rate Imran's bowling peak too from 1980-88. For all these examples, there are enough good performances outside this "peak" period. Imran was a nothing batsman for the entirety of 70s (granted that he debuted very young).
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
This is something I agree too. There are enough instances of him showing up with the bat and the ball in the same series and sometimes same match. He was great with the ball and solid with the bat in the 82 Eng series for instance. Similarly in the India series post that where he scored a hundred and took a bucketful of wickets in the same match.
Just that taking out all rubbish performances isn't the right way to rate a peak imo.
OverratedSanity
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What, that's what a peak is kinda by definition