Do SC Pacers Deserve More Credit For Home Performances?

[subshakerz]

You spoke about Kapil to get sympathy from the Indians. Admit it, this is all about Imran....

Not about Imran.

So you genuinely don't think that a man who is rated so damn highly isn't given credit for his home exploits.

The dude makes every ATG 1st or 2nd team, what are you getting at.

Please show me where he isn't given credit for his home record.

Not about Imran.

How does a top 6 fast bowler get there of we don't give him credit for what he did at home, but only receive downgrades for what he did abroad.



He's universally seen as being better than Lillee, Donald, Garner, Holding, Trueman, Lindwall.



How is this not creating grievances.

Not about Imran.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not about Imran.


Not about Imran.


Not about Imran.

We get it man; cool down.....

 

[kyear2]

1. Bias against giving SC bowlers full due.
2. Not about Imran.
3. Not about Imran.

Name the other ones being disrespected, and while you're at it tell is where they should be rated.

 

[subshakerz]

ffs they are their home record is literally brought up all the ****ing time is the reason they’re so good. For some reason you think we should also ignore that they were poorer outside the SC and thus rate them higher overall

It's not brought up all the time. That is our perception.

 

[subshakerz]

We get it man; cool down.....

Lol. I am cool just clarifying to them.

 

[Slifer]

How does a top 6 fast bowler get there of we don't give him credit for what he did at home, but only receive downgrades for what he did abroad.

He's universally seen as being better than Lillee, Donald, Garner, Holding, Trueman, Lindwall.

How is this not creating grievances.

Bro you need to understand Subz's pov, only performances in Asia matter. And every great Asian bowler especially Imran should more extra points than they already do and be ranked higher than they are because of that. I get it, Imran Wasim and Waqar should be one, two and three and maybe Kapil 6th or 7th. The records of other non Asian bowlers doesn't matter because only Asian bowlers bowled under challenging circumstances. Was that so hard???!!

 

[capt_Luffy]

Name the other ones being disrespected, and while you're at it tell is where they should be rated.

Kapil Dev being worse than Terry Alderman.....

 

[subshakerz]

Name the other ones being disrespected, and while you're at it tell is where they should be rated.

It applies across the board. Kapil, Imran, Vaas, Wasim, Srinath, Shami, their home records are glossed over or given 'kudos' without tangibly addressing how much extra credit they should get.

I suggested that one way to look at it is to give them a 1-2 point average drop to address their discrepancy compared to SENAW bowlers and then rate them accordingly as you wish. You suggest any extra credit should just be removed as soon as we look at them away, which is just another way of saying they shouldn't get credit in the first place.

 

[Coronis]

It's not brought up all the time. That is our perception.

It literally is. Every single ****ing comparison involving any of the SC pacers brings up how hard their home conditions were and how good they were to struggle through them. Apparently you just can’t read or comprehend that.

 

[subshakerz]

It literally is. Every single ****ing comparison involving any of the SC pacers brings up how hard their home conditions were and how good they were to struggle through them. Apparently you just can’t read or comprehend that.

Really? Does it every go beyond that cliche to actually make it a substantive point of difference that reflects on their overall record?

 

[Coronis]

Kapil Dev being worse than Terry Alderman.....

Jesus christ was waiting for this. It was basically just a throwaway comparison, there was a post asking about 27/28 averaging bowlers and I listed a bunch of bowlers I could remember averaging that off the top of my head. I’ve already said I was wrong a few posts after that.

 

[subshakerz]

Bro you need to understand Subz's pov, only performances in Asia matter. And every great Asian bowler especially Imran should more extra points than they already do and be ranked higher than they are because of that. I get it, Imran Wasim and Waqar should be one, two and three and maybe Kapil 6th or 7th. The records of other non Asian bowlers doesn't matter because only Asian bowlers bowled under challenging circumstances. Was that so hard???!!

Wow a new line of argument. Asking for SC pacers to get credit means crapping on SENAW bowlers somehow.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Jesus christ was waiting for this. It was basically just a throwaway comparison, there was a post asking about 27/28 averaging bowlers and I listed a bunch of bowlers I could remember averaging that off the top of my head. I’ve already said I was wrong a few posts after that.

I know, just pointed that out; some people also believe Kapil to be worse than Mitchell Starc.....

 

[Coronis]

Really? Does it every go beyond that cliche to actually make it a substantive point of difference that reflects on their overall record?

**** me yes. If it didn’t make a substantive point of difference then they wouldn’t be rated as highly as they are because their overall records are inferior.

 

[subshakerz]

Look a the double standards here.

If I suggested that we shave off a couple points off Sanga or MoYo's averages due to home friendliness, none of these guys bat an eye.

Suggesting we do so the other way to benefit SC pacers and suddenly they feel aggrieved

 

[capt_Luffy]

**** me yes. If it didn’t make a substantive point of difference then they wouldn’t be rated as highly as they are because their overall records are inferior.

Imran's overall record, even without SC points; being inferior than someone like Dennis Lillee or Fred Trueman is straight up cap.

 

[kyear2]

Lol. I am cool just clarifying to them.

You started this poll the instant Imran's name came up for the vote in @Line and Length thread, besides Bumrah in the future there are no great Indian pacers, in the first part of the thread someone included spinners and you were quick to point out that this was only about the fast bowlers.

But yeah, this whole thing is about Kapil.

Do you.

 

[kyear2]

Look a the double standards here.

If I suggested that we shave off a couple points off Sanga or MoYo's averages due to home friendliness, none of these guys bat an eye.

Suggesting we do so the other way to benefit SC pacers and suddenly they feel aggrieved

Show me where anyone in this thread has ever said that.

 

[subshakerz]

**** me yes. If it didn’t make a substantive point of difference then they wouldn’t be rated as highly as they are because their overall records are inferior.

Thats not true. Their records are generally compared with their like on a head to head basis, without any special.pleading for home stuff.

 

[subshakerz]

Show me where anyone in this thread has ever said that.

I am giving a hypothetical. Nobody takes Sanga's overall average at face value, let's be serious, because of home inflation.

You started this poll the instant Imran's name came up for the vote in @Line and Length thread, besides Bumrah in the future there are no great Indian pacers, in the first part of the thread someone included spinners and you were quick to point out that this was only about the fast bowlers.

But yeah, this whole thing is about Kapil.

Do you.

The idea for this comparison came when I myself was wondering why I am considering the bowler battle between Kapil and Botham close when Kapil had a more difficult hand at home.

You don't have to keep bringing up Imran if it trigger you.