Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

[Xix2565]

Please stop the innuendos.

 

[subshakerz]

/endthread

Can we?

 

[Shri]

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did anyone give any funny counters to subs

 

[ma1978]

No. Nobody is questioning them on SC surfaces generally the way Ashwin is questioned on his effectiveness on non-SC surfaces.

How can no one question them on subcontinental surfaces if they were so terrible in India, which is by test cricket matches, a large proportion of the matches played in the subcontinent.

They couldn’t master Sri Lanka’s biggest opponent and Australias final frontier

 

[Socerer 01]

Some holes in records are bigger than others.

to you; others can find those holes smaller or barely perceptible while other holes can be bigger dealbreakers that you think aren’t noteworthy enough to be plugged in

thats the beauty of subjective discussion

 

[Victor Ian]

I'm struggling to fathom the thread title

Ashwin has over 3000 test runs and over 500 wickets at just under 24s.

Of course he's an ATG. Patently obvious

its about is he atg as a test bowler, though. His batting is irrelevant.

 

[subshakerz]

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did anyone give any funny counters to subs

There were a couple I think.

 

[subshakerz]

to you; others can find those holes smaller or barely perceptible while other holes can be bigger dealbreakers that you think aren’t noteworthy enough to be plugged in

thats the beauty of subjective discussion

I think SENA is a pretty big hole objectively.

 

[subshakerz]

How can no one question them on subcontinental surfaces if they were so terrible in India, which is by test cricket matches, a large proportion of the matches played in the subcontinent.

They couldn’t master Sri Lanka’s biggest opponent and Australias final frontier

So their weakness was Indian supreme batting skill, not SC pitches. They didn't have problems in Pakistan, UAE or SC.

 

[Socerer 01]

I think SENA is a pretty big hole objectively.

to you and some, some dont feel that ANUS records is a big hole to be bothered with

 

[Socerer 01]

So their weakness was Indian supreme batting skill, not SC pitches. They didn't have problems in Pakistan, UAE or SC.

the classic “pitches in Asia are the same everywhere but in ANUS countries there’s micro and macrodifferences worth writing PhDs over”

 

[subshakerz]

to you and some, some dont feel that ANUS records is a big hole to be bothered with

Clearly some don't and I am responding to them.

 

[subshakerz]

the classic “pitches in Asia are the same everywhere but in ANUS countries there’s micro and macrodifferences worth writing PhDs over”

Of course there are differences. SL has some seaming wickets, Pak take longer to break and India can spin early, etc but generally spin receptivity is higher historically.

 

[Xix2565]

As always, pitches don't matter until they do.

 

[subshakerz]

As always, pitches don't matter until they do.

I thought you clarified your view earlier in the thread, spin friendly pitches don't exist in modern cricket, it's only an old timer thing.

 

[ma1978]

So their weakness was Indian supreme batting skill, not SC pitches. They didn't have problems in Pakistan, UAE or SC.

Surely the two greatest spin bowlers of all time could perform at an adequate standard in India. And it’s not like the Indian batting was GOAT level for the large proportion of their careers. We had a lot of scrubs.

 

[Xix2565]

I thought you clarified your view earlier in the thread, spin friendly pitches don't exist in modern cricket, it's only an old timer thing.

I didn't say this at all. Like, legitimately at no point did I ever say this. And you say I'm raging, what are you doing then? Even a baby would understand my points better than you.

 

[subshakerz]

I didn't say this at all. Like, legitimately at no point did I ever say this. And you say I'm raging, what are you doing then? Even a baby would understand my points better than you.

Chill I was being sarcastic there.

 

[Socerer 01]

Clearly some don't and I am responding to them.

and the some that don’t aren’t going to take your reasoning or criteria seriously

 

[subshakerz]

Surely the two greatest spin bowlers of all time could perform at an adequate standard in India. And it’s not like the Indian batting was GOAT level for the large proportion of their careers. We had a lot of scrubs.

Indian batting was perhaps the GOAT against spinners in their day. Sidhu, Azhar, Tendulkar, Sehwag, Laxman, even Dhoni was very good. So their failure is totally understandable but against better pacers it is a drawback.