capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Then the very fact that his late career exists should push him back in the ATG tier.
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Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
In other words, ignore his early career.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
3 + Don & WG
In the first tier, there are only around 10 players. Sobers, Imran, Sachin, Hobbs, Marshall, Hadlee, etc.
In the second tier are the likes of Gavaskar, Chappell, Smith for now, O'Reilly, Akram, etc.
In the third tier are the likes of Ponting, Dravid, Miandad, Walsh, Cummins, Lindwall, Ashwin, Verity, etc
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Late career = ATG
Early career = Good
Value for longevity (a.k.a, career value)= ATG
Overall, ATG.
ataraxia
International Coach
Even if bowling at a very good level for extra time somehow makes a player worse, why don't you degrade Allan Donald for his pre-1990 and post-2002 career when he was largely worse than Anderson, who was at least servicable? If some England bowler existed and averaged 24 from 2014 to the present without being good enough to play tests beforehand, would you rate that bowler as superior to Anderson even though Anderson has outperformed him over the same timespan?
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
where's Viv?(don't say the 2nd tier pls, I thought I had you convinced)
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Right. So that third tier between us is ATVG.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Not only Viv, but Smith and Lara are also in that 2nd tier. In the first tier I have:
Sachin Tendulkar
Jack Hobbs
Garry Sobers
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn McGrath
That's it.
Sydney Barnes, Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warne, Dale Steyn, Curtly Ambrose, Jacques Kallis, Brian Lara, Steve Smith, Viv Richards, Adam Gilchrist, and Sunil Gavaskar are at an awkward place for me. They're better than 2nd tier; but I want to restrict the 1st tier heavily.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Bro, just keep it to two tiers. Honestly. Make ATG exclusive and then we would agree.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Cool. Tho I think Steyn is closer to the top 3 bowlers than to Warne or Murali(for me, cause of the insane SR in a flat era, series defining performances across countries, great home away record(great at home, in Australia, in India, and goodish in Eng)). Also maybe Viv in tier 1 for me. Otherwise agree with your list.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
His problem is adding a third unnecessary tier.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
I mean ATG is subjective. I understand your idea of exclusivity, and maybe tend towards that myself. But his POV is interesting in its own right
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah. I guess the term ATG itself implies exclusivity.
Coronis
International Coach
Jesus thats a new one
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Atleast he was he wasn't **** enough to be dropped off regularly. Anyways, he is an ATG for me, just for his longevity as a genuine pacer.
TheJediBrah
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I wouldn't agree with that tbh. Still been somewhat conditions dependent and it's been a bowling era. Late career ATVG at best
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
You can add the names of Steyn, Ambrose, Hutton and Hammond as well. Miller, Sangakkara and Akram are pushing it a little bit for me.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Been one of the best touring pacers in India; extra points from me.
Coronis
International Coach
Just because your team has a poor selection pool doesn’t make you a better player lol.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Having a great selection pool does protects your record though....