Which team is currently the best, in 2023?

[Salamuddin]

Australia probably are at present but they haven’t looked convincing at all this summer against fairly average to weak opposition in Pakistan and West Indies. Definitely think Nz in March, India next summer and even the Poms in the summer after will feel they are in with a chance against the Aussies.

 

[anil1405]

So safe to say that England are well behind Aus and IND at this point or does their moral victory count for something?

Apart from the second innings of the first test they failed to capitalise on good starts, with the bat, in all other tests and showed lack of mental toughness more than technical flaws in this series.

So much for the hype surrounding their rejuvenated brand of cricket.

 

[Nintendo]

So safe to say that England are well behind Aus and IND at this point or does their moral victory count for something?

Apart from the second innings of the first test they failed to capitalise on good starts, with the bat, in all other tests and showed lack of mental toughness more than technical flaws in this series.

So much for the hype surrounding their rejuvenated brand of cricket.

It's no longer 2023. Mods please ban him for necroing and off topic discussion.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

or does their moral victory count for something?

Yes imo.

 

[_00_deathscar]

India have beaten Australia in 4 straight series, including away. So...

India
Australia
Huge gap
Real mix of other teams

 

[OverratedSanity]

Cute that England had their few months of being great before being embarrassed by a not even close to full strength India.

 

[subshakerz]

Realistically end of this year will determine who is the best atm.

 

[ma1978]

Realistically end of this year will determine who is the best atm.

that’s not a thing.

India is unequivocally the best

they’ve beat Australia at home and away

they’ve beat England at home and tied away

they’ve beat South Africa andhome and tied away

New Zealand is the only side where they have a a lost curren away series (and destroyed them at home)

it would take someone beating or at least new India at home to take that title away.

 

[subshakerz]

that’s not a thing.

India is unequivocally the best

they’ve beat Australia at home and away

they’ve beat England at home and tied away

they’ve beat South Africa andhome and tied away

New Zealand is the only side where they have a a lost curren away series (and destroyed them at home)

it would take someone beating or at least new India at home to take that title away.

If you asked me last year, I would have given the edge to Australia. However, since then Australia didn't win against WI at home and India have beat England comfortably, so for me it's a toss-up

 

[ma1978]

If you asked me last year, I would have given the edge to Australia. However, since then Australia didn't win against WI at home and India have beat England comfortably, so for me it's a toss-up

until Australia can win a test series against India somewhere, somehow, they don’t factor into a discussion. How can someone be the best when they lose consistently to another team who is by definition better

 

[subshakerz]

until Australia can win a test series against India somewhere, somehow, they don’t factor into a discussion. How can someone be the best when they lose consistently to another team who is by definition better

I consider who is the best all-round team. However, I just remembered India also drew recently in SA, which is an improvement from last time, so I am inclined to put them ahead of Australia at the moment. However, if Australia whitewash NZ away, something I am pretty sure India would struggle to do, again it's a toss-up.

 

[Ali TT]

I guess we might see after Australia finish this test, but would probably put them ahead of India by a tiny margin right now, despite the upset loss v West Indies.

India tour Australia and England in the next 18 months. That will be a good judge of where the youngsters coming through are at, especially the gun batters.

 

[ma1978]

I consider who is the best all-round team. However, I just remembered India also drew recently in SA, which is an improvement from last time, so I am inclined to put them ahead of Australia at the moment. However, if Australia whitewash NZ away, something I am pretty sure India would struggle to do, again it's a toss-up.

how do you define the best all round team other than who wins the actual matches when they play each other

 

[subshakerz]

how do you define the best all round team other than who wins the actual matches when they play each other

Because I look at how they do across conditions and oppositions to get an idea of their overall strength as a side. India under Ganguly's India beat Australia in 2001 and then drew in Australia in 2004, doesn't mean India had a better team in that period.

 

[centurymaker]

India is probably not a better side than Australia at the moment due to the transition going on.

However based on results alone, India is clearly ahead.

Aus v Eng - Won at home and Drew away
Ind vs Eng - Won at home and Drew away

Aus v SA - Won at home and Lost away
Ind v SA - Won at home and Drew away

Aus v Ind - Lost at home and Lost away
Ind v Aus - Won at home and Won away

Aus v NZ - Won at home and Won away
Ind v NZ - Won at home and Lost away

Aus v WI - Drew at home and Won away
Ind v WI - Won at home and Won away

Aus v SL - Won at home and Drew away
Ind v SL - Won at home and Won away

Aus v Pak - Won at home and Won away

 

[ma1978]

India is probably not a better side than Australia at the moment due to the transition going on.

However based on results alone, India is clearly ahead.

Aus v Eng - Won at home and Drew away
Ind vs Eng - Won at home and Drew away

Aus v SA - Won at home and Lost away
Ind v SA - Won at home and Drew away

Aus v Ind - Lost at home and Lost away
Ind v Aus - Won at home and Won away

Aus v NZ - Won at home and Won away
Ind v NZ - Won at home and Lost away

Aus v WI - Drew at home and Won away
Ind v WI - Won at home and Won away

Aus v SL - Won at home and Drew away
Ind v SL - Won at home and Won away

Aus v Pak - Won at home and Won away

results are the only thing that matter. When I see this, it’s not close. And even if results everywhere else were close (which they are not), the head to headmeans it’s not close

 

[centurymaker]

results are the only thing that matter. When I see this, it’s not close. And even if results everywhere else were close (which they are not), the head to headmeans it’s not close

India has had better results against -
WI, AUS, SA, and SL

Aus better against-
NZ & PAK (who India don't play)

Identical against ENG.

 

[ma1978]

India has had better results against -
WI, AUS, SA, and SL

Aus better against-
NZ & PAK (who India don't play)

Identical against ENG.

case in point

 

[OverratedSanity]

India is probably not a better side than Australia at the moment due to the transition going on.

I would've agreed with this if not for the fact that Australia have had a very unconvincing few months at home. Were very fortunate against Pakistan and obviously couldn't even beat WI. Part of it could be that the pitches were oddly seam friendly though.

 

[Coronis]

I consider who is the best all-round team. However, I just remembered India also drew recently in SA, which is an improvement from last time, so I am inclined to put them ahead of Australia at the moment. However, if Australia whitewash NZ away, something I am pretty sure India would struggle to do, again it's a toss-up.

Considering how good current SA have been, this is as big an achievement as Australia drawing with the Windies.