*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[Socerer 01]

I don’t know why certain Indian posters believe that we will win WTC final if it is played in Asia . Have you forgotten WC final ?
You guys are clearly underestimating the choking ability of this team . They might find new ways of choking.

odis are not tests

 

[R!TTER]

Of course it's a neutral venue. Anywhere which isn't the home venue for one of the teams is neutral ffs. Do you expect the hosts to dig up a Mumbai pitch and transplant it for it to be considered neutral if India is playing?

Of course it's not NZ played 4 quicks in Eng in the last final & still won, India played 2 spinners - by nature of their bowling attacks it should be pretty clear which venues support/favor which teams! In Asia spinners are generally the better or lead bowlers, outside they're support bowlers.
Just because you want to support this BS argument about Eng being neutral for us doesn't make it true. Same goes for the second final last year.

 

[Socerer 01]

outside of playing on Mars idk how you could get a completely 100% neutral test for a 1 off test

 

[R!TTER]

You can't this is why playing one game home then away is better IMO, outside of that WI is probably the most neutral with its Dukes balls.

 

[OverratedSanity]

If the WTC final last year had been played on a classic modern Oval pitch - dry, slow, flat, it would have been much more even between the two sides and India would have had a much better chance.

We got the advantage of bowling first in very seam friendly conditions tbf. Wasted it and conceded 400 on day 1.

 

[PaulLennon]

England is as neutral for NZ and Aus as Sl and bang is for India.

Why not final in Dhaka or Colombo?

 

[PaulLennon]

I don’t know why certain Indian posters believe that we will win WTC final if it is played in Asia . Have you forgotten WC final ?
You guys are clearly underestimating the choking ability of this team . They might find new ways of choking.

WC final was an ODI with dew factor.

 

[Nintendo]

England is as neutral for NZ and Aus as Sl and bang is for India.

Why not final in Dhaka or Colombo?

SLC tried getting the rights to host the WTC and couldn't find a way to fit it in, could they?

 

[GIMH]

England is as neutral for NZ and Aus as Sl and bang is for India.

Why not final in Dhaka or Colombo?

Tbf India have won away to England more recently than Australia

But then again so have most sides

 

[PaulLennon]

Tbf India have won away to England more recently than Australia

But then again so have most sides

Tbh Aus might not have won but they haven't really had a BAD series. Ind had two stinkers in 2011 and 2014 (not including 2018 cause that like the 2013 Ashes was decently competed).

 

[Socerer 01]

You can't this is why playing one game home then away is better IMO, outside of that WI is probably the most neutral with its Dukes balls.

yeah reducing a format as beautiful as test to 1 off match is silly it should be a 3 test series

 

[GIMH]

WTC should be played in Antarctica IMO. Befits its relevance

 

[Victor Ian]

At home, England only cheat against Australia. In recent memory, I can't recall an England Ashes where they haven't had an outrageous cheating incident. I mean, it's fair because it's what England are, but Australia not losing a series there in yonkers, despite the cheating, is a real moral victory. None of this 4-1 capitulation style stuff that England like to throw up when touring.

 

[Burgey]

Of course it's not NZ played 4 quicks in Eng in the last final & still won, India played 2 spinners - by nature of their bowling attacks it should be pretty clear which venues support/favor which teams! In Asia spinners are generally the better or lead bowlers, outside they're support bowlers.
Just because you want to support this BS argument about Eng being neutral for us doesn't make it true. Same goes for the second final last year.

But it's still neutral ffs. Both teams are playing away from home.

India are idiots for playing two spinners. You've got decent quicks coming out your wazoo these days. Changing the venue won't cure lack of intelligence.

For example, you might have posted one of your contributions on this topic from home, the other at work. The standard is lamentably consistent though. The venue changed nothing.

 

[Burgey]

England is as neutral for NZ and Aus as Sl and bang is for India.

Why not final in Dhaka or Colombo?

Second rate venues

 

[R!TTER]

The venue changed nothing.

The venue changes everything you played 3 spinners in India, how many did you field in England in last year's WTC final? This is clearly a facetious argument!

Primary team Australia

Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue

Host country England

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2013

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 10 and innings bowled in greater than or equal to 5

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
RJ Harris	2013-2013	4	8	162.1	37	470	24	7/117	9/187	19.58	2.89	40.5	2	0
MR Marsh	2015-2023	7	13	107.3	19	402	18	5/46	7/86	22.33	3.73	35.8	1	0
JR Hazlewood	2015-2023	12	22	384.2	66	1356	52	5/30	9/115	26.07	3.52	44.3	2	0
PJ Cummins	2019-2023	11	21	402.4	72	1386	51	6/91	7/103	27.17	3.44	47.3	1	0
NM Lyon	2013-2023	16	30	583.2	105	1747	59	6/49	9/161	29.61	2.99	59.3	1	0
PM Siddle	2013-2019	9	18	324.3	90	899	30	5/50	8/135	29.96	2.77	64.9	1	0
MA Starc	2013-2023	14	26	456.1	65	1803	60	6/111	8/182	30.05	3.95	45.6	3	0
MG Johnson	2015-2015	5	9	140.1	29	524	15	3/21	6/80	34.93	3.73	56.0	0	0
JL Pattinson	2013-2019	4	8	156.1	36	474	12	3/69	5/170	39.50	3.03	78.0	0	0

Primary team Australia

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Host country India

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 5 and innings bowled in greater than or equal to 5

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
MA Starc	2013-2023	6	10	134.3	23	483	9	2/38	3/113	53.66	3.59	89.6	0	0
MG Johnson	2010-2013	3	6	97.4	16	321	8	5/64	5/114	40.12	3.28	73.2	1	0
PM Siddle	2013-2013	4	6	110.4	27	305	9	5/71	6/105	33.88	2.75	73.7	1	0
PJ Cummins	2017-2023	4	5	110.3	25	361	11	4/106	4/106	32.81	3.26	60.2	0	0
JR Hazlewood	2017-2017	4	7	119.0	30	295	9	6/67	6/109	32.77	2.47	79.3	1	0
MP Kuhnemann	2023-2023	3	5	78.3	11	280	9	5/16	6/76	31.11	3.56	52.3	1	0
GJ Maxwell	2013-2017	4	5	47.0	2	211	7	4/127	4/127	30.14	4.48	40.2	0	0
JL Pattinson	2013-2013	3	5	79.0	19	250	9	5/96	6/109	27.77	3.16	52.6	1	0
NM Lyon	2013-2023	11	19	483.2	61	1532	56	8/50	11/99	27.35	3.16	51.7	5	1

 

[Molehill]

But it's still neutral ffs. Both teams are playing away from home.

The other reason for playing it in London is that you're pretty much guaranteed a decent attendance no matter who is playing. Empty stadiums would not be a good look for the ICC's showpiece (even if half the teams cannot take it seriously).

 

[Burgey]

The venue changes everything you played 3 spinners in India, how many did you field in England in last year's WTC final? This is clearly a facetious argument!

It didn't change the fact you don't know what "neutral" means.

 

[Burgey]

The other reason for playing it in London is that you're pretty much guaranteed a decent attendance no matter who is playing. Empty stadiums would not be a good look for the ICC's showpiece (even if half the teams cannot take it seriously).

It should always be played at Lord's imo. Game's oldest international format showcased at its traditional home.

And that should be the case even if England quali...... lololololololololololololol

Sorry.

 

[Aidan11]

And that should be the case even if England quali...... lololololololololololololol

Sorry.

England don't qualify because like the fans they don't give a **** about a mickey mouse tournament. has it done anything for cricket?