How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[OverratedSanity]

Funnily enough, India actually were mediocre after the fixing scandal from 99-01 until that famous series vs Australia. The batting lineup wasn't settled, bowling was in flux with Kumble being in and out of the team, Srinath was getting old and they embarrassingly got whitewashed by SA, and lost two tests to Pakistan.

That 01 India side was in a really bad spot and honestly Australia should've whitewashed us.

 

[subshakerz]

Funnily enough, India actually were mediocre after the fixing scandal from 99-01 until that famous series vs Australia. The batting lineup wasn't settled, bowling was in flux with Kumble being in and out of the team, Srinath was getting old and they embarrassingly got whitewashed by SA, and lost two tests to Pakistan.

That 01 India side was in a really bad spot and honestly Australia should've whitewashed us.

No India weren't mediocre even then. Kumble played both series against Pak and SA, it's just that those sides also were top notch sides of the era full of greats who simply played better than India. India still had class bats in Dravid and Azhar, Tendulkar was still the best batsman in the world.

And Australia would have beaten India comfortably if it weren't for miracle performances by Harbi and Laxman that no team can plan for or anticipate frankly. I mean, it took perhaps the single greatest innings of all-time and perhaps the greatest bowling series of all-time to barely win at home against Australia.

 

[Slifer]

No India weren't mediocre even then. Kumble played both series against Pak and SA, it's just that those sides also were top notch sides of the era full of greats who simply played better than India. India still had class bats in Dravid and Azhar, Tendulkar was still the best batsman in the world.

And Australia would have beaten India comfortably if it weren't for miracle performances by Harbi and Laxman that no team can plan for or anticipate frankly. I mean, it took perhaps the single greatest innings of all-time and perhaps the greatest bowling series of all-time to barely win at home against Australia.

After the first test, I honestly thought Australia was going to sweep the series. Then India follows on in the 2nd test, then VVS!!

 

[OverratedSanity]

Huh, maybe we really are unbeatable.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Subshakerz was right all along. Teams can't even beat us without 6-7 first choice players including our best batsman, best keeper-bat , best pacer, second best pacer all missing.

Literally unbeatable.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Ashwin and Jadeja are just too good.

ATGs.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Ashwin and Jadeja are just too good.

ATGs.

Tbf Kuldeep has been better than both this series(and should have got even more as he and Bumrah put the pressure back on Eng on day 3 morning of the 3rd test).

 

[CricAddict]

Subshakerz was right all along. Teams can't even beat us without 6-7 first choice players including our best batsman, best keeper-bat , best pacer, second best pacer all missing.

Literally unbeatable.

India will be beat once Ashwin and Jadeja both retire.

 

[ma1978]

India will be beat once Ashwin and Jadeja both retire.

Nothing lasts forever. But the Indian talent creation machine is pretty good and there will be replacements. I think it happens when Ashwin and Jadeja should retire (which in Ashwin's case may be a year or two away), but don't. A bit like the 2012 era when Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Zak, Harbhajan et al were over the hill and Ashwin and Kohli yet to emerge.

 

[Slifer]

Huh, maybe we really are unbeatable.

India at home is. The bowling especially is just relentless: Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah and Siraj or Shami. The batting isn't the best but they bat deep. Idk about Subz but I've always said 80s WI would likely lose by a single test: 2-1 to India. As for 2000s Australia that's for someone else more informed to determine.....

 

[OverratedSanity]

2000s australia couldn't beat an Indian team with Sachin as second top wicket taker. Pathetic.

 

[R!TTER]

As for 2000s Australia that's for someone else more informed to determine.....

With DRS we'd win easily, if we had some of our best batters in an All time Indian XI we'd beat almost any World XI across ages over 5 or more tests! Like how's this for a stat - India hasn't lost a test in which Shami has played at home

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Sri Lanka	2017-2022	4	0	2	0	2	0.000	23.75	3.00	8	373	109
Australia	2023-2023	3	0	2	0	1	0.000	24.98	2.87	6	480	91
England	2016-2016	3	0	2	0	1	0.000	32.62	2.79	6	537	158
New Zealand	2016-2016	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	22.51	2.98	6	299	153
South Africa	2019-2019	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	23.01	2.92	6	431	133
West Indies	2013-2018	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	19.13	3.44	6	234	168
Bangladesh	2019-2019	2	0	2	0	0	0.000	17.02	3.32	4	213	106

 

[kyear2]

While still think they're a bit too conditions dependant, I was really impressed by the young talent. Jaiswal, Gill and especially Jurel (Infront of and behind the stumps).

Kuldeep impressed the hell out of me and Bumrah is a potential great of the game. Yeah England batted poorly and had some stupid ass captaincy decisions, but the victory was well earned and more importantly the future is bright.

 

[Coronis]

While still think they're a bit too conditions dependant, I was really impressed by the young talent. Jaiswal, Gill and especially Jurel (Infront of and behind the stumps).

Kuldeep impressed the hell out of me and Bumrah is a potential great of the game. Yeah England batted poorly and had some stupid ass captaincy decisions, but the victory was well earned and more importantly the future is bright.

Not declaring was a poor choice imo.

 

[kyear2]

Not declaring was a poor choice imo.

Opening with Root and Hartley for example, others that escape my mind at the moment

 

[Sunil1z]

With DRS we'd win easily, if we had some of our best batters in an All time Indian XI we'd beat almost any World XI across ages over 5 or more tests! Like how's this for a stat - India hasn't lost a test in which Shami has played at home

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Sri Lanka	2017-2022	4	0	2	0	2	0.000	23.75	3.00	8	373	109
Australia	2023-2023	3	0	2	0	1	0.000	24.98	2.87	6	480	91
England	2016-2016	3	0	2	0	1	0.000	32.62	2.79	6	537	158
New Zealand	2016-2016	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	22.51	2.98	6	299	153
South Africa	2019-2019	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	23.01	2.92	6	431	133
West Indies	2013-2018	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	19.13	3.44	6	234	168
Bangladesh	2019-2019	2	0	2	0	0	0.000	17.02	3.32	4	213	106

Aus also didn’t lose a Test at home between 99-07 when McGrath played
WI also never lost a Test at home in which Marshall played iirc .

 

[Sunil1z]

If we had a Viv Richards type batsman we could have been an ATG side by now

 

[R!TTER]

They did come close in 2001 when NZ almost chased down a smallish score & McGrath had to resort to bowling wides, they'd probably be called test wides today!

AUS vs NZ Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Brisbane, November 08 - 12, 2001

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, AUS vs NZ, New Zealand tour of Australia 2001/02 at Brisbane Cricket Ground, Woolloongabba, Brisbane dated November 08 - 12, 2001.

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The biggest difference of course is Jadeja+Ashwin - there's no equivalent for them in test history at home!

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Player	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
RA Jadeja (IND)	2012-2024	43	1809	175*	40.20	3	211	7/42	20.86	11	25	0	19.33
R Ashwin (IND)	2011-2024	59	1824	124	27.22	3	354	7/59	21.33	27	20	0	5.89

 

[ma1978]

If we had a Viv Richards type batsman we could have been an ATG side by now

So would many other very good test sides

There are maybe 5 Viv Richards type batsmen in cricket history

 

[R!TTER]

WI also never lost a Test at home in which Marshall played iirc .

No, lost two although Marshall had a much much more distinguished career than Shami -

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Australia	1984-1991	9	1	5	0	3	0.200	26.67	2.75	17	429	97
England	1981-1990	8	1	6	0	1	0.166	24.22	3.02	16	364	150
India	1983-1989	8	0	5	0	3	0.000	29.02	2.98	15	469	150
New Zealand	1985-1985	4	0	2	0	2	0.000	25.81	2.66	7	440	94
Pakistan	1988-1988	2	0	1	0	1	0.000	29.10	3.10	4	341	194