Would England have won the 2005 Ashes without ball tampering?

[PlayerComparisons]

Do you think they would have won without using the Murray Mints?

 

[capt_Luffy]

No, they probably won't; but it was against Australia so it's alright.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Dunno. Would Australia's sandpaper supply have been cut off too? We can all play the hypothetical game.

 

[Smudge]

Geez, @Burgey has really slow-played this multi. Much respect!

 

[Son Of Coco]

Of course they wouldn't have. It would have been 5-0 Australia.

Add the Murray Mints fiasco to the deliberate placement of a cricket ball with the intention to cause maximum harm to Glenn MacGrath's ankle, and you've probably got good cause to ask for an extended period of jail time for all members of the team and management. Although, given the UK's reticence to jail miscreant cricketers, particularly allrounders, they'd probably just get a slap on the wrist. Joe Root would reverse paddle sweep the slap to 2nd slip.

 

[Burgey]

Geez, @Burgey has really slow-played this multi. Much respect!

I thought it was a Dhonisgland multi tbh.

 

[Aidan11]

Hilarious thread. Might read again. Probably won't.

 

[mr_mister]

Would they have won without Gary Pratt?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Of course they wouldn't have. It would have been 5-0 Australia.

Add the Murray Mints fiasco to the deliberate placement of a cricket ball with the intention to cause maximum harm to Glenn MacGrath's ankle, and you've probably got good cause to ask for an extended period of jail time for all members of the team and management. Although, given the UK's reticence to jail miscreant cricketers, particularly allrounders, they'd probably just get a slap on the wrist. Joe Root would reverse paddle sweep the slap to 2nd slip.

Yea not a fan of what they did to McGrath

 

[TheJediBrah]

Of course they wouldn't have. It would have been 5-0 Australia.

Add the Murray Mints fiasco to the deliberate placement of a cricket ball with the intention to cause maximum harm to Glenn MacGrath's ankle, and you've probably got good cause to ask for an extended period of jail time for all members of the team and management. Although, given the UK's reticence to jail miscreant cricketers, particularly allrounders, they'd probably just get a slap on the wrist. Joe Root would reverse paddle sweep the slap to 2nd slip.

Not to mention the sub-fielding fiasco, which England still cheat with to this day, and the blatantly one-sided poor umpiring (Martyn was sawn off lbw 3 times after hitting the ball IIRC)

 

[Son Of Coco]

Not to mention the sub-fielding fiasco, which England still cheat with to this day, and the blatantly one-sided poor umpiring (Martyn was sawn off lbw 3 times after hitting the ball IIRC)

The running on and off the field to have showers after spells. Cook running off to get captaincy tips from the coach.

The real question should be has there ever been a period where England haven't been cheating?

 

[TheJediBrah]

The running on and off the field to have showers after spells. Cook running off to get captaincy tips from the coach.

The real question should be has there ever been a period where England haven't been cheating?

the 90s?

 

[Son Of Coco]

the 90s?

The 1390s?

 

[TheJediBrah]

The 1390s?

We'll have to ask the French

 

[mr_mister]

the 90s?

Atherton had his dirt in pocket ball tampering scandal in the 90s (arguably worse than sandpaper gate)

 

[TheJediBrah]

We need to lock this poll before the delusional pom crew (Molehill, GIMH, etc.) wakes up

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Bowling averages in the 2005 ashes with Murray Mints

Hoggard: 29.56
Harmison: 32.29
Flintoff: 27.29
Jones: 21.00

Bowling averages in the 06/07 ashes without Murray Mints:

Hoggard: 37.38
Harmison: 61.40
Flintoff: 43.73
Anderson: 82.60

 

[Adders]

Bowling averages in the 2005 ashes with Murray Mints

Hoggard: 29.56
Harmison: 32.29
Flintoff: 27.29
Jones: 21.00

Bowling averages in the 06/07 ashes without Murray Mints:

Hoggard: 37.38
Harmison: 61.40
Flintoff: 43.73
Anderson: 82.60

Did the production of Murray mints cease during that time frame? Are they a banned import product to Australia......or maybe just maybe there might be another significant difference between those 2 series you complete and utter buffoon.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Did the production of Murray mints cease during that time frame? Are they a banned import product to Australia......or maybe just maybe there might be another significant difference between those 2 series you complete and utter buffoon.

Here they come wading into the debate with their illogical defence of 'Big Candy'.


Interestingly, this is now Matthew Hoggards' nickname.

 

[Gob]

Not to mention the sub-fielding fiasco, which England still cheat with to this day, and the blatantly one-sided poor umpiring (Martyn was sawn off lbw 3 times after hitting the ball IIRC)

What about taking a second new ball after 40 overs