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cnerd123

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I think it works on match results only, and takes the ratings of the teams you beat into consideration. So if you get wins over some highly rated teams you gain more points than by beating on noobs
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

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TNT again losing matches they should win... Don't worry I`m fully aware that I have not played the best team or given the best orders, trying to maximise the development of players. But explain to me again how the rfs with no NBS trait, manages to take out the more experienced better bats on an unworn fast pitch, bowling with a BQ of 4.2. Oh by the way... the NBS rfs of TNT bowling with a BQ of 8.4 took no wickets...

And please don't talk about experience because my 44 skill bat with 17 exp has not scored a ton in dev in over a season... and gets super aggressive for no known reason even though he is a defensive in nature and opens the batting often...
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

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StephenZA said:
TNT again losing matches they should win... Don't worry I`m fully aware that I have not played the best team or given the best orders, trying to maximise the development of players. But explain to me again how the rfs with no NBS trait, manages to take out the more experienced better bats on an unworn fast pitch, bowling with a BQ of 4.2. Oh by the way... the NBS rfs of TNT bowling with a BQ of 8.4 took no wickets...

And please don't talk about experience because my 44 skill bat with 17 exp has not scored a ton in dev in over a season... and gets super aggressive for no known reason even though he is a defensive in nature and opens the batting often...
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Another low BQ for the win....
 
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Krypto

U19 Vice-Captain
cnerd123 said:
I think it works on match results only, and takes the ratings of the teams you beat into consideration. So if you get wins over some highly rated teams you gain more points than by beating on noobs
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Yes ratings system can also be inflated due to national league competitiveness as your main rank will be calculated on your national league your in rather that world wide with only cup affecting your OD ranking and thus small percentage equivalents . A lot of teams that play Div 1 in Asia or America will struggle to be competitive in Div 2 of EurAfrica or Ociana .

You will remember the absolute hate i got and others who were in the non competitive leagues before the mergers due to the same fact that uncompetitive leagues causes rating inflation and financial benefit . I remember distinctly stating that this will only mean other leagues will replace this with membership dwindling . I think we are there now . Especially if you look at the least competitive region in Americas with the top ranking teams being affiliates . With the first main team in 3rd with only 6 cricketers above 10k wage however is playing div1 in all three formats .

So lastly , expert preview rating doesn't mean much and a lot of us rate players more on wages .For ataraxia as example he has 8 and the two closest to him has 10 and 8 respectfully thus they much closer IMO than the preview ratings suggest . Comparing this to EurAfrica top 3 they are at 11 ,8 and 13 respectfully . In Ociana they are 12 , 10 and 8 . As stated earlier the 3rd team in Americas has 6 .

Thus if your in EurAfrica or Ociana and not in the top 20 you can almost be sure your stronger than your rank . However the top end is very competitive(Those with a full team of high waged players ) . Thus a lot of affiliates etc benefitted that main side was linked to EurAfrica or Ociana
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

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I need to be talked off a ledge. Very close to selling TMOs seniors up and restarting with my younger group... but unsure if I`m being a bit knee jerk about it, but the truth is that the TMOs team aren't gonna get better (maybe a bit on experience)... and just not competitive enough. But I have some players that are worth some good monies, but if I leave it to long they won't be anymore...
 
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Krypto

U19 Vice-Captain
StephenZA said:
I need to be talked off a ledge. Very close to selling TMOs seniors up and restarting with my younger group... but unsure if I`m being a bit knee jerk about it, but the truth is that the TMOs team aren't gonna get better (maybe a bit on experience)... and just not competitive enough. But I have some players that are worth some good monies, but if I leave it to long they won't be anymore...
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Well if this was in regards to TNT i could have easily however its not . TMO has 8 classified seniors and 3 in that awkward in-between depending on their exp , and 23 year old with 16 + exp is a senior .

The thing is you've reached the top end of stumped with that team and is facing guys with squads they bought around 35 to 40 mil on their starting 11 . Unless your going to do the same getting a squad like that is almost impossible . One out of the top 4 has a team with 7 scouted players which is really lucky but the other 4 cost him close to 18 mil .

Your on the top end just in a ridicules league , go challenge the other top teams in Asia and America and if you still feel they not good enough so be it ,but you have a really , really strong team .

Lastly i thoroughly dislike the method they use to do this and have mentioned it before , had a brief nice feeling by beating one of those teams in a t20 yesterday . Go check out that squad , a future 1% ter and in the same space as the top end eurafrica teams its a strategy they use and very very very difficult to compete with those teams .
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

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Krypto said:
Well if this was in regards to TNT i could have easily however its not . TMO has 8 classified seniors and 3 in that awkward in-between depending on their exp , and 23 year old with 16 + exp is a senior .

The thing is you've reached the top end of stumped with that team and is facing guys with squads they bought around 35 to 40 mil on their starting 11 . Unless your going to do the same getting a squad like that is almost impossible . One out of the top 4 has a team with 7 scouted players which is really lucky but the other 4 cost him close to 18 mil .

Your on the top end just in a ridicules league , go challenge the other top teams in Asia and America and if you still feel they not good enough so be it ,but you have a really , really strong team .

Lastly i thoroughly dislike the method they use to do this and have mentioned it before , had a brief nice feeling by beating one of those teams in a t20 yesterday . Go check out that squad , a future 1% ter and in the same space as the top end eurafrica teams its a strategy they use and very very very difficult to compete with those teams .
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I can see the clear differences in divisions TNT has shown me that.

The problem I have is I can't afford the TMO squad (I`ve fully revealed it now) if I can't stay in div 1. And if I can't afford it and its not going to get better, is it time I cut my losses? Because I could sell my best senior players right now and probably get some good monies for them. While simultaneously, doing what I did with TNT which was not have more than 13 players and give maximum game time. I have a decent core (I think) for my under 20s, that with lots of extra game time could become an even better team. And with extra monies (and saving from less wages) I could build up a bank to later on grab a few players for any gaps I find.

If I wait to long I could find those players lose value, I could end up under-developing some of my juniors and waste monies for trying to hang on for an extra season at div 1, senior level?! If I had stayed in div 2 I would have done it. But being in div 1 gave me hope. Unfortunately my bowling attack is in poor form, and just not good enough against the batting they up against.

I have been considering it for awhile, but part of the nostalgia of putting this team together over the last 6 seasons makes me hesitate.... anyway!
 
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Krypto

U19 Vice-Captain
StephenZA said:
I can see the clear differences in divisions TNT has shown me that.

The problem I have is I can't afford the TMO squad (I`ve fully revealed it now) if I can't stay in div 1. And if I can't afford it and its not going to get better, is it time I cut my losses? Because I could sell my best senior players right now and probably get some good monies for them. While simultaneously, doing what I did with TNT which was not have more than 13 players and give maximum game time. I have a decent core (I think) for my under 20s, that with lots of extra game time could become an even better team. And with extra monies (and saving from less wages) I could build up a bank to later on grab a few players for any gaps I find.

If I wait to long I could find those players lose value, I could end up under-developing some of my juniors and waste monies for trying to hang on for an extra season at div 1, senior level?! If I had stayed in div 2 I would have done it. But being in div 1 gave me hope. Unfortunately my bowling attack is in poor form, and just not good enough against the batting they up against.

I have been considering it for awhile, but part of the nostalgia of putting this team together over the last 6 seasons makes me hesitate.... anyway!
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Ok i checked your squad and from my perspective the first thing that jumps out is your bowling isn't good enough for div 1 .Your batting is and even with guys coming in that isn't going to change thus you have a bat centric team , if you do this you cannot have a home ground centered around your bowlers , you'll need to change it to a very difficult place to bat thus benefitting your strength . Also you need to then go all in if that is your preferred strategy get more all rounders and bat till 10 your team is almost there so just need one more top end allrounder IMO and one top order bat above 40 trained . Furthermore you have a lot of fluff in your junior team with only maybe 3 or 4 needing bleeding to get to potential barring Langenhoven and Meloney who needs bleeding definite , guys that wont get to 40 trained and thus some of your senior team players will remain being some of your best player , this goes against the rinse and repeat but competing with those top buyers and seller means the only thing of value is winning , not developing players . You are right in saying you will struggle to win a div 1 with this team however a bit of tweaking can make you a little bit more competitive .

Honestly the part around affordability and junior development is a very tricky thing and one many have different approaches , i normally go for a 80/20 split or a 9/2 with two juniors being in my senior team and thus slowly developing them and keeping balance. However financially ill never compete with "rinse and repeat" and thus mostly will be a home grown developing team in div 2 . Because of my absolute distain for the rinse and repeat method , im not the right person to advise on how to do that most efficiently and get to a point where your squad value is around 40 mil as that is what you need , just a disclaimer on that , if there is 20 teams doing that and only 8 div 1 spots its not as efficient as the best make it look and you can still struggle to be competitive in eurafirca or ociana .

This was quite a lot of info , and English is my second language as well as a lot can be lost in my quick response please let me know if you need more explanation .
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Krypto said:
Ok i checked your squad and from my perspective the first thing that jumps out is your bowling isn't good enough for div 1 .Your batting is and even with guys coming in that isn't going to change thus you have a bat centric team , if you do this you cannot have a home ground centered around your bowlers , you'll need to change it to a very difficult place to bat thus benefitting your strength . Also you need to then go all in if that is your preferred strategy get more all rounders and bat till 10 your team is almost there so just need one more top end allrounder IMO and one top order bat above 40 trained . Furthermore you have a lot of fluff in your junior team with only maybe 3 or 4 needing bleeding to get to potential barring Langenhoven and Meloney who needs bleeding definite , guys that wont get to 40 trained and thus some of your senior team players will remain being some of your best player , this goes against the rinse and repeat but competing with those top buyers and seller means the only thing of value is winning , not developing players . You are right in saying you will struggle to win a div 1 with this team however a bit of tweaking can make you a little bit more competitive .

Honestly the part around affordability and junior development is a very tricky thing and one many have different approaches , i normally go for a 80/20 split or a 9/2 with two juniors being in my senior team and thus slowly developing them and keeping balance. However financially ill never compete with "rinse and repeat" and thus mostly will be a home grown developing team in div 2 . Because of my absolute distain for the rinse and repeat method , im not the right person to advise on how to do that most efficiently and get to a point where your squad value is around 40 mil as that is what you need , just a disclaimer on that , if there is 20 teams doing that and only 8 div 1 spots its not as efficient as the best make it look and you can still struggle to be competitive in eurafirca or ociana .

This was quite a lot of info , and English is my second language as well as a lot can be lost in my quick response please let me know if you need more explanation .
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So TMOs is my first franchise, and this team is the first team and I`ve managed to get it into div 1. I`ve made lots of mistakes in the process!. Unfortunately my bowling never developed like I wanted. And I simply don't have the monies in bank to fix it by getting a top quality allrounder and/or bowler. I looked and tried this end of season but no luck. My original plan was to keep trying for 3 or 4 players to be on a production line into the main team, but I`m struggling to handle this with the wages of my top players.

I feel like between what I`ve learned (particularly with how I managed TNT) I will be better prepared to build a team now, particularly with some monies in the bank. And I've already got a core 3/4 players under 20, that are top quality with another 3/4 players that can do a good job. So that's why I do think that restarting from bottom up may be my best bet with my situation as is. But not my preferred method.

On my chosen plan, I always wanted it centred around fast bowling. Hence the pitch I chose, also because my best bat (Levy) was an opener and I felt could handle the early movement off the pitch and then allow my batsmen to dominate later in the innings to put up a big score. The bowling until now was adequate with early movement, and late variation but its not good enough at the top.

Thanks for the input; its much appreciated to see your thoughts on the whole thing.
 
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