Richards, Smith, Lara, Hammond

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Well that settles it then

If you want it to

 

[capt_Luffy]

It does show that statistically there isn't much to differentiate Kallis and Ponting except for Ponting's far better SR.

There's also that Kallis averages lower than 35 in no country he played in, Ponting does.....

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

There's also that Kallis averages lower than 35 in no country he played in, Ponting does.....

35 and roundabout is weak and Kallis did that in Eng and SL. Although Ponting was much worse in Ind

 

[capt_Luffy]

35 and roundabout is weak and Kallis did that in Eng and SL. Although Ponting was much worse in Ind

35 and roundabout is average, not great but moderate really; 25 and roundabout is ****.....

 

[subshakerz]

There's also that Kallis averages lower than 35 in no country he played in, Ponting does.....

Ponting failed in only one country whereas Kallis was below par in two countries. So like I said hard to say one is significantly worse.

Ponting then wins as an aggressive bat.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ponting failed in only one country whereas Kallis was below par in two countries. So like I said hard to say one is significantly worse.

Ponting then wins as an aggressive bat.

No lmao..... Averaging 35 is a really stretch to say "failed"; Ponting is the only one who truly failed anywhere.

 

[OverratedSanity]

All these arbitrary 35/40 thresholds are meaningless when Kallis averages a full 6 points higher than Ponting away from home. Ponting also never had a single truly great series away from home against a strong attack.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Ponting never had an ATG series away from home but was somehow on track to become the 2nd best batsman of all time

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

All these arbitrary 35/40 thresholds are meaningless when Kallis averages a full 6 points higher than Ponting away from home. Ponting also never had a single truly great series away from home against a strong attack.

Fair enough

 

[OverratedSanity]

The early spells from Bumrah and Kuldeep in the morning set everything up yet they came away with the least reward. Weird how that works sometimes.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ffs Spark

 

[Bolo.]

I’m curious. If Viv (for example) had his peak late in his career rather than early on, how would he be remembered/rated (assuming all other factors remain equal)? Similarly would other players who peaked late in their careers (Sanga, Anderson, Chanderpaul) be rated differently?

I'm pretty sure the earlier peaks get a solid perception boost. Of the bats in this poll, and the ones assumed to be ahead, the only one who wasn't running a 60+ average after a fairly decent chunk of tests is Sachin, who gets his own kind of early credit due to age.

 

[peterhrt]

Hobbs dominated the teams he played like no one but Bradman and Grace.

England v Australia Tests. Averages of batsmen appearing both before and after WW1. Qualification 1000 runs. Centuries in brackets.

Hobbs 54 (12)
Macartney 43 (5)
Armstrong 35 (4)
Bardsley 33 (3)
Woolley 33 (2)
Rhodes 31 (1)

Same for England v South Africa. Qualification 800 runs.

Hobbs 60 (2)
Herbie Taylor 44 (7)
Woolley 42 (3)
Faulkner 30 (1)
Nourse sr 26 (0)

 

[Aidan11]

Gone for Richards as he is the best batsman but he's too good to be a number 5.

 

[capt_Luffy]

England v Australia Tests. Averages of batsmen appearing both before and after WW1. Qualification 1000 runs. Centuries in brackets.

Hobbs 54 (12)
Macartney 43 (5)
Armstrong 35 (4)
Bardsley 33 (3)
Woolley 33 (2)
Rhodes 31 (1)

Same for England v South Africa. Qualification 800 runs.

Hobbs 60 (2)
Herbie Taylor 44 (7)
Woolley 42 (3)
Faulkner 30 (1)
Nourse sr 26 (0)

What would your Top 10 batsmen list look like?

 

[Niranjan Bhargav]

I will go with the Brian Lara, If we see records there is no comparison.

 

[kyear2]

Gone for Richards as he is the best batsman but he's too good to be a number 5.

Meant who's the 5th best batsman ever.

 

[peterhrt]

What would your Top 10 batsmen list look like?

In chronological order. Test and first-class combined.

Grace, Trumper, Hobbs, Bradman, Sobers, Graeme Pollock, Barry Richards, Viv Richards, Lara, Tendulkar.

 

[capt_Luffy]

In chronological order. Test and first-class combined.

Grace, Trumper, Hobbs, Bradman, Sobers, Graeme Pollock, Barry Richards, Viv Richards, Lara, Tendulkar.

No Steve Smith, Hutton, Hammond, Headley, Gavaskar or Chappell before Barry Richards? Not complaining or anything, just interested in why Barry is rated so highly despite playing only 4 Tests and a few games in WSC.

 

[kyear2]

No Steve Smith, Hutton, Hammond, Headley, Gavaskar or Chappell before Barry Richards? Not complaining or anything, just interested in why Barry is rated so highly despite playing only 4 Tests and a few games in WSC.

Because he watched him bat. And like literally everyone who has, decided he was one of the best batsmen he's seen.

Plus he literally declared that he was factoring in tests and first class cricket .