*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[cnerd123]

This must be a series with the most players missing. Kohli, Pant, Brook, Leach, Shami, Archer .......

if Archer is considered a missing player then you may as well count Pujara and Rahane

 

[howitzer]

two of those are not like the others

Kind of two of them are like each other (Pant and Archer both long term out), another two (Shami and Leach more regular cricketing injuries), and the other two (Kohli and Brook seemingly not injury related at all)

 

[flibbertyjibber]

As the top Leach apologist on the site, gotta say, his unluckiness with injury now is very much part of his body, and with Hartley, Ahmed and others vying for a place, and English Summer coming up, might see him gone really.

You wonder how much his health issues mean his body breaks down so much, never known a spinner get injured as often. He was never going to be a 37/38 year old test cricketer anyway but I sadly fear his departure will be sooner rather than later.

 

[GIMH]

If Hartley keeps up his levels from his first two Tests he will probably be number one by summer anyway, given he can bat too.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

If Hartley keeps up his levels from his first two Tests he will probably be number one by summer anyway, given he can bat too.

Might be Rehan, go for better bat and younger player.

 

[cnerd123]

Kind of two of them are like each other (Pant and Archer both long term out), another two (Shami and Leach more regular cricketing injuries), and the other two (Kohli and Brook seemingly not injury related at all)

Archer is never playing Test cricket again

 

[grecian]

Might be Rehan, go for better bat and younger player.

I think they'll both be in the reckoning, think the next 3 tests are probably a shoot-out.

Yet oddly neither of them seem brilliant for English pitches going on first-class records in this country, but as we know Bazball does not take note of that stuff.

You need two decent spinners around anyway, for when the subcontinent rolls around, or injury.

 

[grecian]

Archer is never playing Test cricket again

Yeah fear your right, but whatever we certainly need to plan without him, but then as ever all the fast replacements are injured too. Olly Stone is fit I think until next week.

 

[Shri]

Kind of two of them are like each other (Pant and Archer both long term out), another two (Shami and Leach more regular cricketing injuries), and the other two (Kohli and Brook seemingly not injury related at all)

in terms of skill pant cancels out archer

shami bigger loss than leach

kohli infinitely bigger loss than brook

 

[honestbharani]

Its also not quite accurate coz Archer's fitness issues were always a concern but Pant's was an accident.

 

[Nintendo]

Its also not quite accurate coz Archer's fitness issues were always a concern but Pant's was an accident.

Yeah but the fish bowl incident made jofras situation a ton worse didn't it?

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but the fish bowl incident made jofras situation a ton worse didn't it?

True. really sad accidents both.

 

[GIMH]

kohli infinitely bigger loss than brook

Nah

 

[Socerer 01]

Nah

yeah idk how you can say Kohli is infinitely bigger loss than Brook watching them bat since Brook’s debut

 

[Daemon]

If Brook played England probably lose the first Test? Pope would be sitting out no

 

[ataraxia]

shami bigger loss than leach

This is also false, purely because a fit Leach's bowling role is 5x what Shami's would be.

 

[Sunil1z]

This is also false, purely because a fit Leach's bowling role is 5x what Shami's would be.

No . Shami averages low 20s in IND iirc. He is a beast on these wickets.

 

[Silver Silva]

This is also false, purely because a fit Leach's bowling role is 5x what Shami's would be.

Shami has taken 76 wickets in 21 tests @ home @22.11
Use of reverse swing is exceptional, Rohit would trust him more than he does Mukesh Kumar or Siraj
Leach would never reach those levels in India

 

[GIMH]

If Brook played England probably lose the first Test? Pope would be sitting out no

Brook would have scored a triple, and taken wickets

 

[Molehill]

If Brook played England probably lose the first Test? Pope would be sitting out no

Nah, we’d have left out Foakes.

So choice for 3rd Test made easier with Leach out. Bashir/Wood/Robinson?