There's a difference between slow turners and flat tracks. The only case I remember Ashwin excelling in the latter was 4th test Aus Ind 2023.Something being inherently assumed for some reason here is that there are no flat tracks in India.
Plenty of instances where Indian batsmen have made hay while Ashwin’s taken 5 and even 10fers.
It is only one person to be fair and the reason has always been obvious.Something being inherently assumed for some reason here
Maybe, but ligma applies againThere's a difference between slow turners and flat tracks. The only case I remember Ashwin excelling in the latter was 4th test Aus Ind 2023.
If you are blind and dumb, sure. In reality however...It's just that Ashwin makes Lyon look good.
That is true but it can't be denied that virtually nothing is more hostile for offspin than typical Australian conditions.Something being inherently assumed for some reason here is that there are no flat tracks in India.
Plenty of instances where Indian batsmen have made hay while Ashwin’s taken 5 and even 10fers.
Ashwin doesn’t average 25 on Indian decks (he averages lower). And the decks haven’t been spicy for the entirety of his career.Lyon averaging "just over 30" in Australia is far more impressive than averaging 25 on recent Indian decks.
everytime this moronic discussion happens around Ashwin i point this out and every time it gets forgotten by the next round of itSomething being inherently assumed for some reason here is that there are no flat tracks in India.
Plenty of instances where Indian batsmen have made hay while Ashwin’s taken 5 and even 10fers.
When weren't they spicy? You mean pre 2015?Ashwin doesn’t average 25 on Indian decks (he averages lower). And the decks haven’t been spicy for the entirety of his career.
Cf, Jadeja.
Yes - there’s always the odd spicy deck in a home series of 3-5 tests but to claim that every deck Ashwin and Jadeja have ever played on where Karun Nair made 300+ runs in one of them is ridiculous.Didn’t they start consistently making pitches spicy after England won that test in 2021?
England tour of 2016/17 was quite high scoringWhen weren't they spicy? You mean pre 2015?
The ones where **** batsmen like Karun Nair piled on 300.When weren't they spicy? You mean pre 2015?
Kohli was putting up some insane stats at home as well pre 2021Yes - there’s always the odd spicy deck in a home series of 3-5 tests but to claim that every deck Ashwin and Jadeja have ever played on where Karun Nair made 300+ runs in one of them is ridiculous.
It’s not just two sides too - cos SA (or any other team) collapses to spin doesn’t mean those decks aren’t flat when India are regularly putting on 400 and 500+England tour of 2016/17 was quite high scoring
That was my main point against him; that how that Birmingham match was better than Ashwin's 6 wickets in Adelaide 2021...Haven't followed properly but why do we care about a downhill skiing 6-fer in the 4th innings when the ball was spitting when discussing performances on a flat wicket? Subzshakers is pretty terrible at this stuff even when he may be on the right side.
I'm not saying he does. Just that dismissing Lyon as averaging over 30 in Australia is insultingly simplistic.Ashwin doesn’t average 25 on Indian decks (he averages lower). And the decks haven’t been spicy for the entirety of his career.
Cf, Jadeja.
It's especially ironic when the main criticism of Lyon over his career was that he was weirdly ineffective in the fourth innings given how effective he could be in the first.Haven't followed properly but why do we care about a downhill skiing 6-fer in the 4th innings when the ball was spitting when discussing performances on a flat wicket? Subzshakers is pretty terrible at this stuff even when he may be on the right side.