They took the petition and over 50k signatures and did a quiet march to CSA to protest.
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South Africa team selection
- Thread starter StephenZA
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Him and pretorius withdrew t20 contracts to play u19 wc.
u 19 players aren't contracted to csa!
Not much said about the warm-up game against a NZ XI that started today . There can be a couple of statements made , especially by Batsman this series for a potential full squad call up .
The first innings is hinting at this strongly with 6 Batsman retiring not out . Neil Brand, Reynard Van Tonder , Zubayr Hamza , Keegan Peterson , Khaya Zondo and Ruan De Swart .
If New Zealand takes this team lightly it will be to their detriment . In my personnel opinion some of the cricketers selected for this tour ( Neil Brand and Raynard van Tonder for me personally) has been around and deserves a shot regardless of situation currently . So its not a weak side by any means .
Actually excited for the first game this Sunday , Hoping Brand and Van Tonder gets a go . Brand as a genuine spinning all rounder option will help the main 11 and Van Tonder has a unteachable skill on occupying a crease for a very long time that seems missing with our first 11 bats and often overlooked due to high scoring (Entertaining ) cricket .
The first innings is hinting at this strongly with 6 Batsman retiring not out . Neil Brand, Reynard Van Tonder , Zubayr Hamza , Keegan Peterson , Khaya Zondo and Ruan De Swart .
If New Zealand takes this team lightly it will be to their detriment . In my personnel opinion some of the cricketers selected for this tour ( Neil Brand and Raynard van Tonder for me personally) has been around and deserves a shot regardless of situation currently . So its not a weak side by any means .
Actually excited for the first game this Sunday , Hoping Brand and Van Tonder gets a go . Brand as a genuine spinning all rounder option will help the main 11 and Van Tonder has a unteachable skill on occupying a crease for a very long time that seems missing with our first 11 bats and often overlooked due to high scoring (Entertaining ) cricket .
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If you replaced Moore with Markram that would be as close to a best top 6 in Test for SA. Picking Verreynne/Rickelton at 7 as wk. Bowling this series is likely to be the real weak point.
ataraxia
International Coach
*Official* 2024 South Africa tour of New Zealand: 2 tests
South Africa squad (15): Neil Brand*, Edward Moore, Raynard van Tonder, Zubayr Hamza, Keegan Petersen, David Bedingham, Khaya Zondo, Clyde Fortuin +, Ruan de Swardt, Mihlali Mpongwana, Shaun von Berg (lol), Duanne Olivier, Dane Paterson, Tshepo Moreki, Dane Piedt. New Zealand squad (13): Tom...
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SeamUp
International Coach
Next Gen Batting has been issue worldwide but focusing on us, it has hurt us badly. Elgar's retirement came too soon for our test team & likewise de Kock for Tests/ODI. Not sure we will learn much in the NZL series bar from Petersen, Bedingham and Hamza here. Interesting will be the white ball teams with the younger batsman shining in the SA20 too.
Age batsman/WKs are turning in 2024
35- R Hendricks, Rossouw , vd Dussen, Miller
34- Bavuma
33- Klaasen
32- de Kock
31- Petersen
30- Markram, Bedingham
29- Hamza
28- Rickelton
27- de Zorzi, Verreynne
26- Breetzke, van Tonder, Mulder, van Buuren, Ferreira
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24- Stubbs
23- Hermann
22-
21- Brevis
Age batsman/WKs are turning in 2024
35- R Hendricks, Rossouw , vd Dussen, Miller
34- Bavuma
33- Klaasen
32- de Kock
31- Petersen
30- Markram, Bedingham
29- Hamza
28- Rickelton
27- de Zorzi, Verreynne
26- Breetzke, van Tonder, Mulder, van Buuren, Ferreira
25-
24- Stubbs
23- Hermann
22-
21- Brevis
I think for us the future of our batting looks really really good , however bowling is a much bigger problem IMO , our stocks hasn't looked this bleak in a while . You would be hard pressed to name 10 bowlers under 26 that is bubbling under . Batting we have maybe 20+ under 26 .
Edit , you also left out Brand that is turning 28 this year who is a quality opener and a option for the next 4 to 5 years .
Edit , you also left out Brand that is turning 28 this year who is a quality opener and a option for the next 4 to 5 years .
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SeamUp
International Coach
Batting needs to start grabbing their opportunities.
You right. Oddly there does seem a little gap in that group for the bowling. But a couple have been fast-tracked already.
Luckily our current group still have a few years left in them.
Rabada, Nortje, Ngidi, Burger, Williams, Baartman, Dupavillon [Parnell, Magala, B Hendricks, Paterson, Olivier]
Still think we will always find them though
M Jansen, Coetzee
Probably the support for them is Swanepoel, E Bosch, Sipamla and the future is Boast and Maphaka.
Yea Agreed , a lot of opportunities for the Batsman after this world cup and in the next 4 to 6 year cycle replans . This is going to very interesting because there is such an abundance of young talent . Good problem to have
On the bowlers you mentioned not many will be around in 5 years even the backups are around 25+ . Also Boast is a good shout however 17 year old Maphaka is a stretch and part of the worry that we need to look that far.
Bowlers hardly play well over 30 and if they do timeline normally ends at 32 and injury prone is more prominent in bowlers ,were batsman can reach 35 plus in years.
The only ones i can think of that isnt mentioned in your list that's a shout is Mihlali Mpngwana , Duan Jansen and Caleb Seleka . By my count that's 22 . We will lose more than half of them if not more before the 2027 world cup cycle .
SeamUp
International Coach
Just not sure on Brand. Looks Dawid Malan and Stiaan van Zyl lite but hopefully he does put his hand up. Think Eddie Moore has serious flaws in his technique and put the runs down on the board so can't argue. Hermann and Josh Richards I would have ahead of both.
Don't forget Maphaka is already playing for the Lions and played for SA A & done pretty well. Obviously a way to go but he looks a generational talent for the bowling.
Mpongwana is like de Swardt (maybe harsh as it is batting) for me. Not sure either of their disciplines is strong enough to hold his position. Thought the same for Wiese, D Pretorious and Phehlukwayo. Whereas Mulder I know despite his poor performances at international level is batting and E Bosch and Swanepoel is bowling.
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StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
All I will say is that SA batting woes have less to do with talent and more to do with opportunity. The failure of the domestic structure combined with the issues at CSA have left a lot of quality batsmen not growing their game and stagnating at a poor FC level. Then getting treated poorly when they don't instantly step up at test level, if even selected.
SeamUp
International Coach
Absolutely. Politics starts at U13 level and really when you start diluting talent at U19 to senior level it becomes a problem on the person and the cricketer. Interesting hearing Elgar say he is done with the international bullshit, not cricket in an interview recently.
I think we just have to hope guys are soaking and absorbing in the SA20 from the quality international stars. It gives them to advantage over FC domestic players.
SeamUp
International Coach
With 6 test debutants, SA Test cricketers by where high schooled from 3 periods after WWII
Post isolation/rebel players in isolation years for interest/pre isolation post WWII
Western Province 24/5/10
Northerns/Easterns/Limpopo: 22/1/7
Gauteng: 19/9/13
Natal 16/7/33
Eastern Province 16/5/7
Free State: 10/1/3
Boland: 7/0/0
Border: 6/3/2
North West: 3/2/0
Griquas/Northern Cape: 3/1/2
Outside SA bar Zim: 2/0/0
Zimbabwe/Rhodesia: 1/2/9
SWD 1/0/0
Post isolation/rebel players in isolation years for interest/pre isolation post WWII
Western Province 24/5/10
Northerns/Easterns/Limpopo: 22/1/7
Gauteng: 19/9/13
Natal 16/7/33
Eastern Province 16/5/7
Free State: 10/1/3
Boland: 7/0/0
Border: 6/3/2
North West: 3/2/0
Griquas/Northern Cape: 3/1/2
Outside SA bar Zim: 2/0/0
Zimbabwe/Rhodesia: 1/2/9
SWD 1/0/0
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SeamUp
International Coach
Taking out Bavuma & Markram these are the FC games played by the rest since 21/22 excluding test matches.
Matches/Runs/AVE/100s
Rickelton (wk) 21 1735 64.25 (9)
Verreynne (wk) 15 1065 56.05 (2)
Hermann 17 1387 55.48 (3)
Hamza 16 1276 53.16 (4)
Bedingham 36 2467 52.49 (8)
De Zorzi 16 1072 48.72 (3)
Breetzke 19 1419 45.77 (5)
*Van Buuren 15 800 44.44 (4)
Zondo 18 942 40.95 (1)
Richards 18 1057 40.65 (3)
*Moore 16 1007 40.28 (3)
Stubbs 10 564 40.28 (2)
De Swardt 11 593 39.53 (0)
Brand 20 1224 39.48 (2)
*Ferreira 7 390 39.00 (1)
Mulder 28 1535 37.44 (5)
Petersen 21 1271 37.38 (2)
Brevis 9 583 36.43 (2)
Qeshile (wk) 15 782 34.00 (2)
Fortuin (wk) 17 865 33.27 (1)
Van Tonder 14 736 30.67 (1)
* No SA A games in this time
Matches/Runs/AVE/100s
Rickelton (wk) 21 1735 64.25 (9)
Verreynne (wk) 15 1065 56.05 (2)
Hermann 17 1387 55.48 (3)
Hamza 16 1276 53.16 (4)
Bedingham 36 2467 52.49 (8)
De Zorzi 16 1072 48.72 (3)
Breetzke 19 1419 45.77 (5)
*Van Buuren 15 800 44.44 (4)
Zondo 18 942 40.95 (1)
Richards 18 1057 40.65 (3)
*Moore 16 1007 40.28 (3)
Stubbs 10 564 40.28 (2)
De Swardt 11 593 39.53 (0)
Brand 20 1224 39.48 (2)
*Ferreira 7 390 39.00 (1)
Mulder 28 1535 37.44 (5)
Petersen 21 1271 37.38 (2)
Brevis 9 583 36.43 (2)
Qeshile (wk) 15 782 34.00 (2)
Fortuin (wk) 17 865 33.27 (1)
Van Tonder 14 736 30.67 (1)
* No SA A games in this time
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Bahseph
International Debutant
He has 3 more innings on this tour so let's hope we see more of him. He is the youngest of this crop as well.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I have a concern that something happened while he was in camp with the SA team. Since that season he has not played more than 4 or 5 matches a season at franchise/fc level. Was he injured? Did someone say something to him and he has tried to adjust his technique? Or is it just a case of going through the doldrums?