*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[honestbharani]

I mean how? Honestly, what is wrong with the definitions as given both for the new guidelines or the older ones?

The fact that they seem to suggest its not a good pitch if it turns on the first day and yet its fine if it swings and seams and bounces?

 

[Xix2565]

The fact that they seem to suggest its not a good pitch if it turns on the first day and yet its fine if it swings and seams and bounces?

They don't, that is primarily on the Anglo-spheric broadcasters/pundits/writers for peddling that nonsense. The ICC is fine with turn on day 1, else they wouldn't put it as part of what is allowed in their Good ratings.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Bazball needs to win at least 2 games this series to improve on their previous tour and be a success

 

[Daemon]

The fact that they seem to suggest its not a good pitch if it turns on the first day and yet its fine if it swings and seams and bounces?

That’s not true, it says it’s fine if there’s “some degree of turn” on day 1

Similarly for seam movement a “limited amount” early on is acceptable.

https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2023/12/13/28fbe668-d9e2-4fdc-8e67-061e83379680/ICC-Pitch-and-Outfield-Monitoring-Process-Nov-2023.docx

 

[Spark]

That’s not true, it says it’s fine if there’s “some degree of turn” on day 1

Similarly for seam movement a “limited amount” early on is acceptable.

https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2023/12/13/28fbe668-d9e2-4fdc-8e67-061e83379680/ICC-Pitch-and-Outfield-Monitoring-Process-Nov-2023.docx

It even goes out of its way to underline the word "either" in "either [excessive] seam or spin" lol

 

[Spark]

Here's the clarifications:

It is recognised that a limited amount of seam movement is acceptable early in the match and that a pitch may develop some unevenness of bounce for seam bowlers as the match progresses. This is acceptable but should not develop to a point where they would be described as “excessive”.

It is acceptable for a pitch to offer some degree of turn on the first day of a match, particularly in the sub-continent, though anything more than occasional unevenness of bounce at this stage of the match is not acceptable. It is to be expected that a pitch will turn steadily more as a match progresses, and it is recognised that a greater degree of unevenness of bounce may develop.

It is impossible to quantify the amount that a ball is “allowed” to turn as bowlers will turn the ball differing amounts. The type and identity of bowler shall be taken into account when assessing this factor.

In no circumstances should the pitch ‘explode’.

If there is an issue with this it's that it's all hilariously vague and up to individual judgement and interpretation.

 

[OverratedSanity]

What does "explode" even mean. Is it that same puff of dust BS that Rohit was pointing out in his presser.

 

[Daemon]

Here's the clarifications:



If there is an issue with this it's that it's all hilariously vague and up to individual judgement and interpretation.

Yeah it’s extremely subjective, but it’s next to impossible to have objective metrics.

 

[Line and Length]

oh lovely the pitch whinging has already started

One person comments on one poor pitch in one series and you call it 'whinging'. The consensus is that home sides are expected to prepare pitches that their players have more experience on. All nations do it. It's the occasional shocker that arouses the ire of some ... and rightly so.

 

[Spark]

What does "explode" even mean. Is it that same puff of dust BS that Rohit was pointing out in his presser.

Or it could refer to actual bombs being planted under the surface.

 

[ataraxia]

Here's the clarifications:



If there is an issue with this it's that it's all hilariously vague and up to individual judgement and interpretation.

Ah, I see, spin is not allowed to a great degree outside the subcontinent.

 

[Molehill]

Ah, I see, spin is not allowed to a great degree outside the subcontinent.

Yep, it's why Lyon has had such a rubbish career.

 

[CricAddict]

Yep, it's why Lyon has had such a rubbish career.

He has had a rubbish career because he is rubbish. He averages over 30 in Asia, Africa, Europe and Australia. Basically, everywhere.

 

[Salamuddin]

Whats the India squad likely to be

jaiswal
Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Iyer/rahul
Rahul/bharat/kishan ?
jadeja
Axar
Ashwin
Bumrah
Siraj

mukesh
Avesh
Kuldeep
Saurabh kumar
tilak/sarfaraz

shami still out injured ?

 

[Molehill]

Whats the India squad likely to be

jaiswal
Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Iyer/rahul
Rahul/bharat/kishan ?
jadeja
Axar
Ashwin
Bumrah
Siraj

If as it sounds that Rahul won't be keeping, does that mean India play 6 bats plus a keeper, or does Jadeja move up to 6?

 

[Salamuddin]

If as it sounds that Rahul won't be keeping, does that mean India play 6 bats plus a keeper, or does Jadeja move up to 6?

Think they’ll play 5 bats plus keeper plus jadeja as their top 7.

I think Rahul may bat 5 and edge out Iyer. It’s a question of bharat v Kishan - bharat is the better keeper but kishan more likely to get runs at test level imo.

 

[Daemon]

I’d drop Gill over Iyer in India

 

[Prince EWS]

If as it sounds that Rahul won't be keeping, does that mean India play 6 bats plus a keeper, or does Jadeja move up to 6?

Their spinners are much better lower order bats so I think they'll stick with five bowlers including Jadeja.

They couldn't get away with a 6-9 of Jadeja-Bharat-Bumrah-Siraj but they can totally get away with Jadeja-Bharat-Ashwin-Axar.

 

[Molehill]

Their spinners are much better lower order bats so I think they'll stick with five bowlers including Jadeja.

They couldn't get away with a 6-9 of Jadeja-Bharat-Bumrah-Siraj but they can totally get away with Jadeja-Bharat-Ashwin-Axar.

I'd go with that. Nothing highlights the difference between the sides more than the spin triumvirate of Ashwin/Jadeja/Axar v Leach/Rehan/Root!!

I think our only chance is if the batsmen can create scoreboard pressure, otherwise there just looks a difference in class in key areas.

 

[Chin Music]

I'd go with that. Nothing highlights the difference between the sides more than the spin triumvirate of Ashwin/Jadeja/Axar v Leach/Rehan/Root!!

I think our only chance is if the batsmen can create scoreboard pressure, otherwise there just looks a difference in class in key areas.

A raging chasm to be perfectly honest. Leach bowled pretty well on the last visit there, but a) won't have bowled in about 7 months in a competitive game and b) even then, last time out, he averaged a lick under 29 on very favourable pitches for spin. I didn't even think the Indian batting lineup played to well, even factoring in the prodigious turn either.