What would a modern player need to beat Bradman?

[Kirkut]

To the OP, Lara may have already achieved that.

Yep, stats wise nothing too impressive, he's also not someone who has hit most number of fours and sixes. But watch him bat and you'll know, the artistic brilliance which can only be experienced and no words can explain it.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

On a serious note though, even a prime Kohli never quite matched the 1997-1998 Tendulkar, the compactness and the balance in shots.

A prime Kohli did have better peak series than Tendulkar: SA 2018(peak Philander Rabada Morkel on horror pitches), and Eng 2018(nearly on par with SRT in SA 2010). In fact in all of SENA countries(except NZ), Kohli’s best series has been better than SRT’s best there.

 

[subshakerz]

A prime Kohli did have better peak series than Tendulkar: SA 2018(peak Philander Rabada Morkel on horror pitches), and Eng 2018(nearly on par with SRT in SA 2010). In fact in all of SENA countries(except NZ), Kohli’s best series has been better than SRT’s best there.

Tendulkar never failed in England in his prime. Kohli may be slightly better prime in SA, Australia is a toss up and NZ is Tendulkar too.

 

[Coronis]

A prime Kohli did have better peak series than Tendulkar: SA 2018(peak Philander Rabada Morkel on horror pitches), and Eng 2018(nearly on par with SRT in SA 2010). In fact in all of SENA countries(except NZ), Kohli’s best series has been better than SRT’s best there.

iirc a slump Kohli was worse than a slump Tendulkar though

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Tendulkar never failed in England in his prime. Kohli may be slightly better prime in SA, Australia is a toss up and NZ is Tendulkar too.

Nope I meant his single best series, not their peak in general. Tendulkar never had as good a series in Eng, as Kohli 2018. Same for SA, and Kohli’s 2014 series in Aus cause he scored some 700 runs there vs the same Johnson who’d screwed Eng the past year. I mentioned the NZ part

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

iirc a slump Kohli was worse than a slump Tendulkar though

Yes, easily

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

In fact, I’d chose Virat’s 2018 over any year off Sachin’s test career. Two ATG tours in varying conditions, and that genius knock in Perth(the first half of 2018 series vs Aus, and that 80 odd at MCG).

 

[subshakerz]

Nope I meant his single best series, not their peak in general. Tendulkar never had as good a series in Eng, as Kohli 2018. Same for SA, and Kohli’s 2014 series in Aus cause he scored some 700 runs there vs the same Johnson who’d screwed Eng the past year. I mentioned the NZ part

SA 2010 would be better than SA 2018.

The 2014 Aus series was on dead wickets. Great runscoring but to me the Aus 2007 is right there with it.

Granted on Eng 2018.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

SA 2010 would be better than SA 2018.

The 2014 Aus series was on dead wickets. Great runscoring but to me the Aus 2007 is right there with it.

Granted on Eng 2018.

Nope SA 2018, the wickets were worse and you had peak Rabada+Philander+Morkel(Philander and Rabada average sub 20 in SA, with phenomenal SR’s, and Morkel was incredible in his last few series) as opposed to 2010 where there was peak Steyn+Morkel. So even if the attacks were nearly equal, Kohli had worse pitches.

 

[subshakerz]

Nope SA 2018, the wickets were worse and you had peak Rabada+Philander+Morkel as opposed to 2010 where there was peak Steyn+Morkel. So even if the attacks were nearly equal, Kohli had worse pitches.

Sure but Tendulkar had two tons, one of which was critical to saving a game. And I've never seen Steyn bowl better than that series.

 

[Bolo.]

Sachin's MO was consistency, not crazy series. There will be worse players than kohli who have his best series covered when accounting for career length. Kohli has been very up and down.

I'm not sure that either style is inherently better from a middle order bat.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Sure but Tendulkar had two tons, one of which was critical to saving a game. And I've never seen Steyn bowl better than that series.

Possibly, but Kohli had to face two bowlers with ATG stats in SA+ another brilliant one, while Tendulkar had to face one bowler who was slightly better in SA (Steyn)and one really good one. Plus Kohli had worse pitches. So Kohli 2018 is noticeably better even tho Sachin’s 2010 series in SA was masterful in its own right. On the Aus one, I feel Sachin didn’t face any minefields in the 2007 although not pitches as flat as the ones Kohli got, but Kohli’s run scoring was insane enough to put his series as a better one.

 

[subshakerz]

Possibly, but Kohli had to face two bowlers with ATG stats in SA+ another brilliant one, while Tendulkar had to face one bowler who was slightly better in SA (Steyn)and one really good one. Plus Kohli had worse pitches. So Kohli 2018 is noticeably better even tho Sachin’s 2010 series in SA was masterful in its own right. On the Aus one, I feel Sachin didn’t face any minefields in the 2007 although not pitches as flat as the ones Kohli got, but Kohli’s run scoring was insane enough to put his series as a better one.

We can disagree between 2010 and 2018 as they are close.

Aus 2007 though was a much better attack and on less flat pitches than 2014/15. Isnt that your same logic for putting 2010 below 2018?

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

We can disagree between 2010 and 2018 as they are close.

Aus 2007 though was a much better attack and on less flat pitches than 2014/15. Isnt that your same logic for putting 2010 below 2018?

Yep, but Kohli outscored Sachin by 200 odd runs. So that’s sufficient enough. SA 2010 and SA 2018, there was barely a gap of 50 odd runs between Sachin and Kohli(Sachin scored 326 runs in SA 2010, Kohli scored 286 in SA 2018) Also Aus 2014 had Johnson and Lyon(Johnson had destroyed Eng a year back barely). So the Aus 2007 attack wasn’t that far ahead of Aus 2014.

 

[subshakerz]

Yep, but Kohli outscored Sachin by 200 odd runs. So that’s sufficient enough. SA 2010 and SA 2018, there was barely a gap of 50 odd runs between Sachin and Kohli(Sachin scored 326 runs in SA 2010, Kohli scored 286 in SA 2018) Also Aus 2014 had Johnson and Lyon(Johnson had destroyed Eng a year back barely). So the Aus 2007 attack wasn’t that far ahead of Aus 2014.

Fair enough bro you made good points.

 

[honestbharani]

Virat has been better than Sachin in RSA and Sachin has been better than Virat in England, both great in Aus and both not so great in NZ.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Virat has been better than Sachin in RSA and Sachin has been better than Virat in England, both great in Aus and both not so great in NZ.

Sachin still has a goodish record in NZ. Virat averages sub 40 there.

 

[subshakerz]

Virat has been better than Sachin in RSA and Sachin has been better than Virat in England, both great in Aus and both not so great in NZ.

Sachin was fine in NZ.

 

[howitzer]

Sachin was fine in NZ.

Tendulkar facing much weaker attacks in general though. I agree that calling an average of 49.52 not so great is a tad strange though.

 

[kyear2]

That allrounder criteria is insane. I think a batsman just needs to be 50 averaging bat and sub 25 averaging bowler to qualify.

How about over 60 with the bat and 27 with the ball for a decade, while being the best fielder in the world?