What would Sangakkara and Kallis average if they never had to keep/bowl?

[reyrey]

Might be worth reading Sangakkaras own thoughts on giving up the gloves.

Being relieved of keeping was the best thing - Sangakkara

Kumar Sangakkara, who is set to retire after the second Test against India, believed that being relieved of the gloves in Tests contributed to a boom in his batting

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"I didn't like it when they stopped me keeping," Sangakkara said. "But the selection committee spoke to me and said: 'What we're trying to do is improve your batting and to get you scoring more runs for the team. We are asking you to do this. It will be better for the team and better for you.' At the time, I thought: 'That's not true. I can do both.' But when I look back on it now, that was the best thing to happen to me. It's great that they took that decision for me, without letting me take it. That has hugely influenced the runs that I scored, and the centuries I made."

 

[Coronis]

Might be worth reading Sangakkaras own thoughts on giving up the gloves.

Being relieved of keeping was the best thing - Sangakkara

Kumar Sangakkara, who is set to retire after the second Test against India, believed that being relieved of the gloves in Tests contributed to a boom in his batting

www.espncricinfo.com

"I didn't like it when they stopped me keeping," Sangakkara said. "But the selection committee spoke to me and said: 'What we're trying to do is improve your batting and to get you scoring more runs for the team. We are asking you to do this. It will be better for the team and better for you.' At the time, I thought: 'That's not true. I can do both.' But when I look back on it now, that was the best thing to happen to me. It's great that they took that decision for me, without letting me take it. That has hugely influenced the runs that I scored, and the centuries I made."

Huh. I hadn’t looked into it but I assumed it was his choice not the selectors

 

[Migara]

Pretty impressive from Kallis considering his home pitches and his bowling workload

So Sri Lankan pitches aren't dustbowls or spitting cobras prepared for Murali?

Schrödinger 's pitch?

 

[Migara]

What do you think they’d average with the bat if they never had to wicketkeep/bowl and could focus completely on their batting?

Sanga easily would have averaged in low 60s.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

So Sri Lankan pitches aren't dustbowls or spitting cobras prepared for Murali?

Schrödinger 's pitch?

Yea I think SL pitches later in Sangas career were probably tough for batting since Herath was picking up wickets cheaply

 

[Victor Ian]

So Sri Lankan pitches aren't dustbowls or spitting cobras prepared for Murali?

Schrödinger 's pitch?

Why can't it be both? Teams that visit Australia normally find batting difficult, while our batsmen just pad their stats. They don't know how to bat on them while our bowlers know how to extract what they offer.

 

[kyear2]

So Sri Lankan pitches aren't dustbowls or spitting cobras prepared for Murali?

Schrödinger 's pitch?

But aren't dust bowls and spin prepared pitches slower and not conducive to fast bowling?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Why can't it be both? Teams that visit Australia normally find batting difficult, while our batsmen just pad their stats. They don't know how to bat on them while our bowlers know how to extract what they offer.

Yeah you can have slow spinny roads that are good for spin bowling as well as good for home batsmen.

They're also not all the same (obviously) you can have unplayable dustbowls (Galle 2011 when Nathan Lyon debuted) and dead roads in the same country . . .

 

[howitzer]

About 59.95 and 99.95 respectively

 

[kyear2]

I don't believe Kallis ever bowled enough to effect his batting tbh. Sangakkara's obviously was impacted by keeping.

 

[howitzer]

I don't believe Kallis ever bowled enough to effect his batting tbh. Sangakkara's obviously was impacted by keeping.

Might have in the very early days.

 

[Coronis]

Statsguru is being pissy and making me do this manually but Kallis averaged 20.3 overs. His stats when bowling more than his average and less than his average. Obviously they’re meh without more context.

78 matches 6210 runs @ 51.32 18 tons - bowling more than average
78 matches 6072 runs @ 57.28 22 tons - bowling less than average
10 matches 1007 runs @ 83.92 5 tons - not bowling at all

 

[Red]

I looked into this a while ago and from memory Sobers bowled (on average) DOUBLE the amount of overs that Kallis did per test.

Sobers was an incredible athlete

 

[TheJediBrah]

I looked into this a while ago and from memory Sobers bowled (on average) DOUBLE the amount of overs that Kallis did per test.

Sobers was an incredible athlete

a lot of spin though. Pretty big difference

 

[Prince EWS]

a lot of spin though. Pretty big difference

I want to see Kallis bowling leggies.

 

[Victor Ian]

I want to see Kallis bowling leggies.

you don't need to see it. It's a given he was ****ing awesome at it if he tried it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I want to see Kallis bowling leggies.

I want to see Kallis wearing leggings

 

[kyear2]

a lot of spin though. Pretty big difference

Was it though? Wasn't spin primarily at the beginning of his career?
Though he did bowl some wrist spin / chinamen later on as well.

 

[kyear2]

I looked into this a while ago and from memory Sobers bowled (on average) DOUBLE the amount of overs that Kallis did per test.

Sobers was an incredible athlete

It was potentially to his detriment though

 

[Prince EWS]

I want to see Kallis wearing leggings

I want to see Kallis wearing leggings bowling leggies.