What would Sangakkara and Kallis average if they never had to keep/bowl?

[Coronis]

I want to see Kallis wearing leggings bowling leggies.

Round the legs or through the legs?

 

[Migara]

Why can't it be both? Teams that visit Australia normally find batting difficult, while our batsmen just pad their stats. They don't know how to bat on them while our bowlers know how to extract what they offer.

Aussies are lauded for that and Sanga and Murali marked down. Schrodinger's judgement?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Aussies are lauded for that and Sanga and Murali marked down. Schrodinger's judgement?

No just the lense you see everything through

Don't think I've ever seen anyone "mark Murali down" for bowler friendly wickets. But if you're comparing him to a SENA spin bowler he obviously played on way more spin friendly wickets (there is a difference).

 

[Prince EWS]

No just the lense you see everything through

Don't think I've ever seen anyone "mark Murali down" for bowler friendly wickets. But if you're comparing him to a SENA spin bowler he obviously played on way more spin friendly wickets (hint: there is a difference).

Yeah it's possible for a pitch to be good for batting and also good for spin bowling if it's really hard to bowl pace or seam on it.

A lot of Sri Lankan wickets were like that.

Murali was obviously not a dustbowl bully but he had better conditions to bowl in across his career than Warne or Lyon etc for sure.

I will see that as much as loved watching him, Swann had some pretty spinny wickets in his career for a SENA bowler.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah it's possible for a pitch to be good for batting and also good for spin bowling if it's really hard to bowl pace or seam on it.

A lot of Sri Lankan wickets were like that.

Murali was obviously not a dustbowl bully but he had better conditions to bowl in across his career than Warne or Lyon etc for sure.

I will see that as much as loved watching him, Swann had some pretty spinny wickets in his career for a SENA bowler.

This isn't that hard of a concept to grasp.

 

[Migara]

No just the lense you see everything through

Don't think I've ever seen anyone "mark Murali down" for bowler friendly wickets. But if you're comparing him to a SENA spin bowler he obviously played on way more spin friendly wickets (there is a difference).

And Wasim obviously did play on less pace friendly wickets, but regarded as nothing special because he is adapted to bowl on them.

See Schrodinger?

 

[kyear2]

And Wasim obviously did play on less pace friendly wickets, but regarded as nothing special because he is adapted to bowl on them.

See Schrodinger?

You're just jumping all over the place now.

He clearly said the SL pitches were conducive to spin, but flat / slow to bat on vs pace bowling. Hence why they were still seen as batting friendly when facing pace bowling. You've created a narrative that no one proposed.

With regards to Wasim, not touching that at all, that's already been argued

 

[reyrey]

Why can't it be both? Teams that visit Australia normally find batting difficult, while our batsmen just pad their stats. They don't know how to bat on them while our bowlers know how to extract what they offer.

Just gonna take this opportunity to mention that Sanga averaged 60 in Australia whilst most of his team mates averaged half that.

 

[TheJediBrah]

And Wasim obviously did play on less pace friendly wickets, but regarded as nothing special because he is adapted to bowl on them.

See Schrodinger?

Bro taking debating lessons from Sunilz

 

[Victor Ian]

Just gonna take this opportunity to mention that Sanga averaged 60 in Australia whilst most of his team mates averaged half that.

Yeah. This highlights that Sanga is actually a great case for 'some *****' stats are padded by a career of fortune'. He spudded it up until Australia's bowling was in transition. Scored a marvelous 192, where Jaques, Hussey and Jayawardene all tonned up and then was meh again but due to small sample size he looks good. I mean, he's a good player, but no where near what his stats make out.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Sanga was one of the few Sri Lankan bats that actually batted well in Aus tbf. Maybe I'm remembering the 192 a bit too fondly and forgetting the rest but from what I recall he actually stilled looked like a class player even when touring. Which you can't really say about any of his team mates

 

[Prince EWS]

Sanga was one of the few Sri Lankan bats that actually batted well in Aus tbf. Maybe I'm remembering the 192 a bit too fondly and forgetting the rest but from what I recall he actually stilled looked like a class player even when touring. Which you can't really say about any of his team mates

@Burgey

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, despite @Victor Ian quite rightly pointing out his figures in Aus, like Gavaskar's before him, are wildly inflated he was certainly better than most anyone else from there. Aravinda was quality too and Jayasuriya obviously could slog a bit, but you wouldn't get two bob for the rest of them when it got above waist height.

Still wouldn't. The only possible thing which could make the upcoming Aus summer less interesting would be if SL also toured alongside WI and Pakistan. Already the Summer of Dregs, it could actually have been worse.

 

[TheJediBrah]

@Burgey

" Say the line, Burgey"

 

[Burgey]

I mean, look at the scorecard from that match ffs. If SL had chased that down it would have been as big an injustice had India chased down the total in Adealide in 2015/15.

Aus lost seven wickets (seven!) in that entire test vs SL for 752 runs! About the only thing that would ever make me even think about not renewing my SCG membership would be a summer of SL games being played there. Just the worst touring team in cricket history.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Sanga was absolute top drawer.

Also, Sri Lanka is actually a great place for SWING bowlers as it can hoop there before lunch. That is why Starc, Southee, and Boult all have great records there. SL has easily the best conditions for cricket in Asia.

 

[Burgey]

SL has easily the best conditions for cricket in Asia.

Yeah, but I mean, so what? That's not exactly a glowing endorsement mate.

 

[Migara]

Sanga was absolute top drawer.

Also, Sri Lanka is actually a great place for SWING bowlers as it can hoop there before lunch. That is why Starc, Southee, and Boult all have great records there. SL has easily the best conditions for cricket in Asia.

Wasim and Waqar also has top class stats there.

Other than for fast bowlers who run in and drop it on a length and expect the pitch to do the rest, SL is a place for all types of bowlers. Basically it is the most difficult conditions for batsman if you have an all round attack. That is why we kept winning away series with Pakistan, but kept losing to them at home. Pakistan of 90s had the ideal attack for SL conditions.

 

[Coronis]

" Say the line, Burgey"

 

[reyrey]

Yeah. This highlights that Sanga is actually a great case for 'some ****s' stats are padded by a career of fortune'. He spudded it up until Australia's bowling was in transition. Scored a marvelous 192, where Jaques, Hussey and Jayawardene all tonned up and then was meh again but due to small sample size he looks good. I mean, he's a good player, but no where near what his stats make out.

He got 1 big hundred in 10 innings in Australia, but he also got 5 scores over 50.

As for facing bowling attacks in transition that would apply to the 2012 tour where he averaged 50.66.

In his 3 other matches he faced McGrath, Gillespie, Kasp, Warne, Lee, Johnson, Clark and MacGill and averaged 65.