*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[RossTaylorsBox]

 

[thundaboult]

Man, if milne could get through 10 overs for just 1 tournament, wouldn't need to see jamo or southee in the squad. They'd rather take jamo with his horrible white ball bowling and southee with 9 fingers, wow.

 

[honestbharani]

The rain on day 1 came at a great time for India. They got great early pitch conditions then just as our death overs were underway nz had to stop then bat 2 slog overs the next day in tricky conditions.

I understand it was tough out there to bat early but it was the same for both sides and only one team had their innings interrupted.

Depends on how you look at it though. The toss advantage was neutralized by the rain interruption, AFAIC. I suppose it was neutral in the sense both teams faced the same tough conditions but cricket always has an intrinsic advantage of the toss in its fabric and that was nullified due to the rain.

In essence, I do think it helped have the game on a very even keel and the better team won, but as I said, the toss advantage is very inherent in cricket, and missing it does make it bad luck in that sense.

 

[honestbharani]

no no no no
india lost cuz kane n taylor used spring bats plus boult n henry used spring balls

spring bats and bottle caps.

Get your facts straight.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Glenn Phillips is a man of many hats. He played both hockey and football at school before becoming a professional cricketer. He is also into archery, hiking, surfing and mountain-biking. He even has a flight simulator back home and dreams of becoming a commercial pilot after he finishes his sporting career.

the thought of Glenn doing captain's updates is great

 

[thundaboult]

Glenn matrix phillips, all around us and everywhere no matter where you go.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

copilot - 'Glenn shut the **** up about the technical specifics of the A380 we need to take off'

 

[thundaboult]

Hey so...how many of these 25 and below aged talents do we have in our system? lol rachin is 23 and he's probably having the best world cup for any nz player ever ay? There's still a group stage match left plus a semi if we take care of SL. Bit of a kick to the turn 29 and graduate into the national side policy. Maybe just maybe, if you're good enough, you play? And when you play, you play in a role that suits you + management is aware of your role.

That said, waiting for sears, fisher, rourke, ashok, clarkson, nathan smith, foxcroft to come in and start belting the world taking 5'ers and scoring double tons.

 

[SteveNZ]

There's more than enough talent there. Those bowlers you named have all got something about them, although given O'Rourke must be injured (hasn't played in the Plunket Shield) there are fitness concerns around him, Sears and Fisher. Clarkson looming as a hard-hitting 6 who can bowl, Smith as an 8 (maybe) who swings it both ways and bowls with a bit of nip, Ashok has a lot of skills and Foxcroft hopefully kicks on as well. Plus obviously his Royal Rachin Highness. Hell of a nucleus if they all graduate and take it to the next level.

 

[RMBolton]

The main issue is that it's hard for the young guys to break in because they have to force their way into the side. Does Rachin make the squad if Macewell is fit? Him opening/Backup Kane at 3 is a fluke on a fluke with Stead&co; it shouldn't have been, but hey.

Sears probably needs to stay fit enough for long enough to put himself forward. O'Rourke impressed in Australia, & may get opportunities soon in a post-Boult world. Ashok is in line behind Sodhi, Clarkson behind Neesham (though I expect a debut for him this summer with Neesham out of the country), Smith is in a similar boat to Sears, Foxcroft probably needs a bit more time, but he has it while Kane is around.

 

[Ghost]

NZ 25 & under One day team??
Ravindra
Allen
Foxcroft
Abbas
Hay
Foulkes
Tashkoff
Smith
Ashok
Sears
O’Rourke

 

[RMBolton]

Too bad Clarkson doesn't make that cutoff. I just remembered Abbas hasn't debuted in List A or T20 yet.

I think there's a solid core for the 27 WC, even factoring the probable & possible retirements again. Probably Semi-Finalist grade, Super 6 at worst; anything else would have to wait until 2025 at the earliest.

 

[straw man]

NZ 25 & under One day team??
Ravindra
Allen
Foxcroft
Abbas
Hay
Foulkes
Tashkoff
Smith
Ashok
Sears
O’Rourke

Yeah it looks like there's some good talent there. We have a heap of young medium-pace-bowling allrounders - some are batter-first (Abbas), some bowler-first (Smith) and some I'm not yet sure about. On performances to date I think you'd include Kristian Clarke or Keene in place of Tashkoff. Fisher somewhere too.

Don't know much about them, but Sunde, Severin, Parkes and Robinson have scored early-career runs too.

 

[straw man]

My attempt at a future NZ test bowling attack:

1. Rachin (part time left arm orthodox)
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5. Abbas (part time left arm medium pace)
6. G Phillips (part time right arm orthodox).
7. wicketkeeper
8. N Smith/Kristian Clarke/Shipley (bowler who can bat)
9. Jamieson
10. O'Rourke/Ashok/Pringle (conditions-dependent swing or spin)
11. Sears/Fisher (pace - point of difference)

Other possibilities: Foulkes, Keene, edit: Foxcroft too

We're going to have a lot of 4th/5th/6th bowler types. The concern is who will be our cutting edge, other than Jamieson, and if they can stay fit and develop to international level.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

We're going to have a lot of 4th/5th/6th bowler types.

Foxcroft as well

 

[jcas0167]

Nice piece on Glenn Phillips.

Glenn Phillips 2.0 takes centre stage with New Zealand

A World Cup semi-final is the kind of thing he had dreamed about while playing backyard games with his brother Dale, who is also a first-class cricketer

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[Ghost]

If this turns out to be final game, who from this squad do we move on from permanently from the ODI setup going forward? For me Neesham and Boult definitely and start to cycle out Southee and Ferguson

 

[Athlai]

Conway nooooo

 

[Neil Young]

If this turns out to be final game, who from this squad do we move on from permanently from the ODI setup going forward? For me Neesham and Boult definitely and start to cycle out Southee and Ferguson

Out go Latham, Neesham, Southee and Ferguson and possibly Ish. Don't mind if Boult comes and goes for a while longer. How many of those will actually go? Possibly Neesham.

Need to look at a new keeper and seam bowlers. And Ashok, too. No time like the start of a WC cycle.

 

[RMBolton]

Just going through the squad, from this squad only Phillips & Ravindra I can definitely see at the 2027WC.

For the CT in 2025, I definitely see those two as well as Williamson, Conway, Henry, Mitchell & Santner. Everyone else is at best a question mark.